do i need chem for med (1 Viewer)

[carrotsss]

u sure about the math standard? has anyone checked if anyone who does math standard gets .95 on the uac sheet

In 2021 the maximum ATAR for mathematics standard 2 was 99.95

 

[Aeonium]

In 2021 the maximum ATAR for mathematics standard 2 was 99.95

this year it was 99.8 https://www.uac.edu.au/assets/documents/scaling-reports/preliminary-report-on-scaling-2022.pdf

 

[carrotsss]

this year it was 99.8 https://www.uac.edu.au/assets/documents/scaling-reports/preliminary-report-on-scaling-2022.pdf

Damn I didn’t realise last years one was already out

 

[Hivaclibtibcharkwa]

i'm moreso referring to how getting a 99+ atar with all humanities (i can't imagine doing a science with math standard or no math) appears to be harder than with, say, the asian 5 (mx2, eng adv, phys, chem) due to scaling and marking. there are a few cases where all humanities students get 99.95 but they generally have several state ranks from what i've seen (or really really high 90s in all of their subjects), and the student in that matrix article you linked scored 6th in eng adv and 5th in drama. there's also the case of subjectivity in marking for humanity subjects, which affects humanity subjects far more than STEM subjects, which could make getting a really good mark harder.

Yea but the point is if your a humanities driven person your gonna a lot better doing humanities than struggling and forcing yourself to do a subject your not good at. Even if you don’t state rank, getting all band 6s is above 95 ATAR which is heaps better than 70-80s in STEM

 

[Pethmin]

I use to think the same when I was a high school student. But now I’m in uni and I’m best mates with med students, so I know all about the course.

So as a science major, we need to make a big distinction between HSC exam science and university science. University doesn’t require you to solve extremely complex exam questions as that’s arbitrary and irrelevant to your career which requires much more practically and application of theory, rather than trying to solve difficult exam questions. The whole reason why the HSC has these is to select a few number of students to get into a course. Where as uni focuses on learning and application in the work force.

As someone who did both HSC bio chem and investigating science. I’m telling you it barely helps at all. The uni content is so broad that the things you learn in school only cover a small surface of content. Because there’s no need to solve difficult exam questions, you can learn the content very fast as you only focuses on learning the content rather than applying it in exam scenarios.

I know many PhD graduates who can’t solve HSC exam questions, because they simply don’t need to for their career. And again the passing exam initiative was made so don’t feel like they should only focus on the exam. But rather actual learn and apply themselves in practical fields of medicine. So they can become good doctors.

I get what you're tryna say, but hear me out though;
Consider oxidative stress, a complication mechanism for Diabetes Mellitus.
Hyperglycemia promotes the formation of reactive oxygen species such as superoxide. ROS can react with DNA and proteins, thereby causing cellular damage.
- Medical students are assumed to know what disparate environmental agents such as acrolein, carbon monoxide, paraquat, Cd2+, and Zn2+ are and their distinctive qualities, know how oxidation works, etc. This is not knowledge taught at a yr 10 level, which will therefore hinder the student's ability as he/she will not have reviewed much of that content as opposed to the more prepared chemistry students. Also, we should also consider that different courses have different content and different emphasis on preemptive school content knowledge.

Additionally, it's not just for the basis of being able to understand the theory, students will in one point in their career need to use chemistry in emergency cases. For example, take that a particular medicine required for a patient was not available (say that it was too urgent to retrieve or medicine was accidentally expired and was not reordered due to system error in their system), the doctor will have to use his pharmacology skills and chemistry skills to formulate an alternative. In cases such as these, doctors who readily have done chemistry in their schooling years (or reviewed the content during university to a high standard; ie at the point where the student will not hail mary all tests in order to 'pass') will have a much higher chance of saving the patient rather than one who did legal studies or English E2 with the thought that that's somehow going to help them during their future careers lmfao. 'Oh why yes sir I have a B6 in Legal studies, so i can administer you with a death certificate of the person who died in the hands of my responsibility as that's the only thing I've gained from doing the subject' (all jokes guys don't take it srs).

 

[MissKrabappel]

Do I need chemistry for medicine in new south wales, i really don't wanna do chemistry. I know little to nothing about chemistry. I've tried researching perquisites for universities to get into med but couldn't find much info (probably cuz i suck at researching). so can i get into medicine without doing chem in y11 and y12?

An individual’s knowledge of chemistry is significantly beneficial as they’re able to predict the effects/interactions of a prescribed pharmaceutical drug on a patients health. Chemistry also assists medical based professionals as it is able to be used to detect and make an effect diagnosis. You should select your subjects that correspond with your personal interests and strengths, doing this will have a significantly better outcome in terms of academic results. Some medicine schools don’t require chemistry as a prerequisite, I had a friend who did humanities and is studying medicine. The choice is yours but I do suggest you scope around the options and just have a look to see your interests.

hope This helps

 

[Pethmin]

An individual’s knowledge of chemistry is significantly beneficial as they’re able to predict the effects/interactions of a prescribed pharmaceutical drug on a patients health. Chemistry also assists medical based professionals as it is able to be used to detect and make an effect diagnosis. You should select your subjects that correspond with your personal interests and strengths, doing this will have a significantly better outcome in terms of academic results. Some medicine schools don’t require chemistry as a prerequisite, I had a friend who did humanities and is studying medicine. The choice is yours but I do suggest you scope around the options and just have a look to see your interests.

hope This helps

Thank you.

 

[Vall]

if you dont like chem and people seem to think you need chem for med then perhaps you shouldn't do med? there's plenty of other careers to aim for (plus OP is only going into yr11, you got ages to work out what you'll do later)

 

[Pethmin]

Asian parent pressures= Doctors only.

 

[Epicman69]

My take as a med student now, is that chem is a prereq for a lot of interstate unis so if u want to increase your chance as much as possible then it will be essential to take chemistry into your HSC. But if u are only looking at NSW unis, then yea take literally anything you like and you think you can get a very high atar with. Keep in mind tho out of the 4 med schools in NSW only 2 will take atar into account namely UNSW and USYD, whereas WSU and JMP only use ATAR as a threshold (meaning if u get over a certain ATAR it will no longer be considered) so your interview and ucat becomes much more important for WSU and JMP. Nevertheless just aim for 99.95, 99th percentile, and a fantastic interview.

 

[Pethmin]

I don’t even know why Australia lets that slide. Literally every other country has prerequisite of biochemistry at the least to even be the slightest considered for medicine. And yet somehow students who do eng E2 get into the course as If someone is gonna create an essay on ‘how identity is proposed in your progressive lung cancer’ or ‘how the themes of emotion is expressed in your pancreatic cancer’ for a patient lmfao

 

[kkk579]

I don’t even know why Australia lets that slide. Literally every other country has prerequisite of biochemistry at the least to even be the slightest considered for medicine. And yet somehow students who do eng E2 get into the course as If someone is gonna create an essay on ‘how identity is proposed in your progressive lung cancer’ or ‘how the themes of emotion is expressed in your pancreatic cancer’ for a patient lmfao

Hold on don’t u end up learning everything in uni anyways

 

[Aeonium]

Hold on don’t u end up learning everything in uni anyways

i don't (and would never) take chem but do they even test the effects of chemicals on the human body ? if so, what's the point? just being able to name the chemicals or something ???

 

[Pethmin]

i don't (and would never) take chem but do they even test the effects of chemicals on the human body ? if so, what's the point? just being able to name the chemicals or something ???

We’re talking about a human body here lmfao. No shortcuts.

 

[Pethmin]

No knowing chemicals won’t do shit. Chemistry is literally the reason why these ‘chemicals’ exist. Good knowledge on the medicine’s properties and its different processes are essential in accurately treating a patient.

 

[Pethmin]

These properties and interactions are only observable through consideration of chemistry.

 

[Pethmin]

Hold on don’t u end up learning everything in uni anyways

Lots of chemistry content is assumed

 

[kkk579]

Lots of chemistry content is assumed

Oh icic, is chemistry a prerequisite for doing med in uni?

 

[Pethmin]

Oh icic, is chemistry a prerequisite for doing med in uni?

Most unis- yes it’s prerequisite. There’s a handful of unis that don’t; which is beyond me given chemistry’s obvious prevalence in medicine

 

[Pethmin]

I understand if people who want to go to med don’t do biology as a subject bc 80% of that content is ecology anyways and probs doesn’t even really relate so much for medical content. but chem is a completely different story.