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The other areas would be the sciences, which is in decline (in terms of the no. students taking part).

In my old school, they had 1 physics class, one chem class, one combined 2U/3U, half a 4U class and the rest was PDHPE and other easier stuff.
It has improved since you left.
We now have one phys class (still) 2 chem classes, 4 bio classes, 3 2u classes, one 3u class and 3 ppl doing 4u (lol)
 

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I wonder how we compare with other western countries. I mean, if you compare Australia to asian countries obviously the asian countries will have a more advanced syllabus.
 

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I wonder how we compare with other western countries. I mean, if you compare Australia to asian countries obviously the asian countries will have a more advanced syllabus.
USA also have a good maths system
 

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USA also have a good maths system
not really.

However, in recent years, there has been an upshoot in the number of teenagers who know Olympiad Mathematics

There is an article by The Atlantic that covers this phenomenon quite well.
 

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I don't know about China, but Hong Kong is crazy. I may be wrong, but according the document attached, it seems like the students sit 2x 3 hour exams... on the same day! The first from 8:30am to 11:30am, then 1:30pm to 4:30pm. In terms of difficulty, it goes quite well beyond Extension 2. A lot of real analysis.

Here is the 2010 one.

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Carrotsticks, do you have solutions to these papers? They would make decent supplementary practice for everyone
 

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I don't know about China, but Hong Kong is crazy. I may be wrong, but according the document attached, it seems like the students sit 2x 3 hour exams... on the same day! The first from 8:30am to 11:30am, then 1:30pm to 4:30pm. In terms of difficulty, it goes quite well beyond Extension 2. A lot of real analysis.

Here is the 2010 one.

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My Uni friend from HK told me that HK doesn't really have these "A-level" exams anymore, and he told me that the difficulty has been toned down (in comparison to this paper to when he did them in 2014/15).
 

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Someone should seriously develop an international curriculum...
 

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Who should? There'd be far too many contentions.

Abolish curriculum's as a whole and supplant crummy guidelines with capable teachers with more than a rudimentary understanding of both 1) The methodology of teaching and 2) What's good for the student.
 

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I don't like the concept of it, why make an all-rounder student when the degree you would be choosing would be specialising on one pathway?
It's better for society if have an all rounded students.

It's not always about "what will they like?".
 

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It's better for society if have an all rounded students.

It's not always about "what will they like?".
Of course it's better to have a society that way, but it's never going to happen sadly.
 

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I think one of the reasons for why Australia's maths curriculum is crap is mainly because maths isn't really "respected" in Australia and a lot of people dislike it, thinking that it's a 'hard' subject and often students will neglect it

That's why we have to offer general maths, because these ppl are not that "smart" enough that we have to do something in order to cater for their needs. Also this general maths thing, is what's causing our maths to be quite shit because it's lowering the amount of students which do 2U, 3U and 4U

I think one thing that needs to be changed in Australia is that we should start introducing some senior concepts in junior years (like calculus, locus and parabola) and eradicate general maths for good

I remember once (a few years ago) I was watching TV and there was this ad saying that the Australian government aims to get Australia in the top 5 countries in the world for academics and with this attitude to maths, they can't really do so

Another issue that's causing this "maths issue" in Australia is students don't respect the fact that they're getting educated for and just fck around with their education (not saying everyone does). The Education industry is one of those industries that I don't think seem to get much respect as the other industries do and we need to change that. I know for a fact teachers on a day to day basis need to report in students who don't wear the right uniform (at my school) but the end of the day, it doesn't matter who wears uniform or what, it's about whether or not the student is getting educated properly and the teacher is doing the right thing by educating them

tl;dr the government needs to start respecting the education industry and eradicate all those stupid kids who don't want to learn (and eradicate general maths and start introducing some senior ideas in junior years). That way Australia can become one of the top "maths countries"
 

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I think one of the reasons for why Australia's maths curriculum is crap is mainly because maths isn't really "respected" in Australia and a lot of people dislike it, thinking that it's a 'hard' subject and often students will neglect it

That's why we have to offer general maths, because these ppl are not that "smart" enough that we have to do something in order to cater for their needs. Also this general maths thing, is what's causing our maths to be quite shit because it's lowering the amount of students which do 2U, 3U and 4U

I think one thing that needs to be changed in Australia is that we should start introducing some senior concepts in junior years (like calculus, locus and parabola) and eradicate general maths for good

I remember once (a few years ago) I was watching TV and there was this ad saying that the Australian government aims to get Australia in the top 5 countries in the world for academics and with this attitude to maths, they can't really do so

Another issue that's causing this "maths issue" in Australia is students don't respect the fact that they're getting educated for and just fck around with their education (not saying everyone does). The Education industry is one of those industries that I don't think seem to get much respect as the other industries do and we need to change that. I know for a fact teachers on a day to day basis need to report in students who don't wear the right uniform (at my school) but the end of the day, it doesn't matter who wears uniform or what, it's about whether or not the student is getting educated properly and the teacher is doing the right thing by educating them

tl;dr the government needs to start respecting the education industry and eradicate all those stupid kids who don't want to learn (and eradicate general maths and start introducing some senior ideas in junior years). That way Australia can become one of the top "maths countries"
 

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Just had a quick check on the number of enrolments for 2015 HSC

32,231 did General Maths
16,880 did Maths
9,121 did Maths Extension I
3,362 did Maths Extension II
 

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Just had a quick check on the number of enrolments for 2015 HSC

32,231 did General Maths
16,880 did Maths
9,121 did Maths Extension I
3,362 did Maths Extension II
Like I said this is what is making our maths curriculum fcked in Australia
 

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The reason that some people think maths is hard is because they never really mastered the basic skills to begin with.

From my experience usually the weaker mathematics students lack the fundamental understanding and skills in concepts such as basic algebra, logic or functions. This often causes them to rote learn examples rather than actually understand (even at a surface level) what is going on.

You can make the senior curriculum as hard as you want but if the average student doesn't have the right foundations to begin with then a harder senior curriculum would only favour higher end students.
 
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