Australia MIGHT go into a recession (1 Viewer)

[C2H6O]

wtf???? you clowns are literally having the rules changed for you so inflation doesn't affect your hecs as much and youre crying????????

And PLEASE tell me bro doesn't support mass immigration like every other braindead zoomer crying about house prices

why would one support mass immigration?

 

[enoilgam]

why would one support mass immigration?

I don't think anyone is keen on it. The fact is though we need migration in some form to fill skill gaps, especially short term. As the pandemic demonstrated, Australia will have major skills shortages if the migration tap is turned off completely. The bigger issue with migration though is the governments complete inability to future-proof services (infrastructure, healthcare, etc) for population group. We seem to consistently be behind the curve here.

 

[Socialism]

We seem to consistently be behind the curve here.

i choose to think this is specifically referencing certain persons in this thread

 

[SylviaB]

I don't think anyone is keen on it. The fact is though we need migration in some form to fill skill gaps, especially short term. As the pandemic demonstrated, Australia will have major skills shortages if the migration tap is turned off completely. The bigger issue with migration though is the governments complete inability to future-proof services (infrastructure, healthcare, etc) for population group. We seem to consistently be behind the curve here.

yes we would suffer a devastating shortage of uber eats delivery drivers

 

[SylviaB]

 

[lunaaaa4403]

I don't think anyone is keen on it. The fact is though we need migration in some form to fill skill gaps, especially short term. As the pandemic demonstrated, Australia will have major skills shortages if the migration tap is turned off completely. The bigger issue with migration though is the governments complete inability to future-proof services (infrastructure, healthcare, etc) for population group. We seem to consistently be behind the curve here.

what if we just breed all the smart people? boom. skill gaps fixed

 

[lunaaaa4403]

yes we would suffer a devastating shortage of uber eats delivery drivers

stop pretending you don't value uber eats drivers... we saw the leg reveal

 

[Socialism]

stop pretending you don't value uber eats drivers... we saw the leg reveal

 

[SylviaB]

stop pretending you don't value uber eats drivers... we saw the leg reveal

you don't get muscularity like that by depending on others to provide food for you

 

[enoilgam]

yes we would suffer a devastating shortage of uber eats delivery drivers

I was thinking along the lines of nurses, other health workers, hospitality people (chefs) among other things. With nursing and healthcare specifically, because of the requirement on Visa's to work in the regions, skilled migrants are an unfortunate necessitybecause they do prop up critical regional workforces.

what if we just breed all the smart people? boom. skill gaps fixed

Australian's dont want to do those jobs unfortunately.

 

[SylviaB]

what if we just breed all the smart people? boom. skill gaps fixed

 

[enoilgam]

what if we just breed all the smart people? boom. skill gaps fixed

Honestly, can we breed some strong outdoorsy types for the trades, Australia is in desperate need of those more than office workers.

 

[SylviaB]

I was thinking along the lines of nurses, other health workers, hospitality people (chefs) among other things. With nursing and healthcare specifically, because of the requirement on Visa's to work in the regions, skilled migrants are an unfortunate necessitybecause they do prop up critical regional workforces.

Then only let in nurses and doctors. And hospitality workers can be entirely migrant workers - they live and work here on fixed contracts then return home.

Australian's dont want to do those jobs unfortunately.

Australians don't want a lot of jobs. They do them because they pay better than alternatives.

This can't happen if you permanently flood the market with foreign workers. Then wages don't grow, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy .

 

[lunaaaa4403]

I was thinking along the lines of nurses, other health workers, hospitality people (chefs) among other things. With nursing and healthcare specifically, because of the requirement on Visa's to work in the regions, skilled migrants are an unfortunate necessitybecause they do prop up critical regional workforces.



Australian's dont want to do those jobs unfortunately.

yea but if we breed ppl that are TOO smart- 2 positives = a negative so we will breed dumb ppl and BOOM. skills shortage solved

 

[lunaaaa4403]

Honestly, can we breed some strong outdoorsy types for the trades, Australia is in desperate need of those more than office workers.

i can't help with that. sorry australia

 

[lunaaaa4403]

you don't get muscularity like that by depending on others to provide food for you

don't lie, ik ur mum still makes u dinner

 

[enoilgam]

Then only let in nurses and doctors. And hospitality workers can be entirely migrant workers - they live and work here on fixed contracts then return home.

It would be good if we could get this right. Unfortunately the business lobby has been very effective at expanding the skilled migration list a bit too generously.

Australians don't want a lot of jobs. They do them because they pay better than alternatives.

This can't happen if you permanently flood the market with foreign workers. Then wages don't grow, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy .

They especially dont want these jobs though and they dont do them (the latter being the difference). Also, interestingly you have highlighted a central argument which has largely restricted skilled migration in the trades. That argument has successfully been made by..the CFMEU. Could it be true, Sylvia and the CFMEU on the same page...

 

[SylviaB]

It would be good if we could get this right. Unfortunately the business lobby has been very effective at expanding the skilled migration list a bit too generously.

But the status quo is not simply "the next best option". These shortages in doctors and nurses are precisely because the population has grown by so much. Vastly more Australian students want to become doctors than there are places (and the top, say, 5% of students who miss out would almost assuredly make better doctors than the average indian doctor that comes to Australia (at the same level of experience)).

As for nurses, if there's a nursing shortage, paying them more should be the first thing attempted. Instead, nurse pay have fallen in real terms over the past 5 years and weren't rising the decade before that.

They especially dont want these jobs though and they dont do them (the latter being the difference). Also, interestingly you have highlighted a central argument which has largely restricted skilled migration in the trades. That argument has successfully been made by..the CFMEU. Could it be true, Sylvia and the CFMEU on the same page...

The CFMEU strictly controls the effective amount of labor in the construction industry to ensure a permanent shortage - they with the support of their ALP cronies prevent any kind of competition, often violently so. Meanwhile, they, along with virtually all other unions, have been long time advocates for always increasing the immigration rate, the very thing which necessitates so much construction labor in the first place.

But as long as mass immigration has created massive infrastructures shortages, then forcing the CFMEU to compete with skilled foreign workers would be a good thing. What wouldn't be a good thing is just this generalised mass immigration where we hope that some of them do the jobs that we need them to do while the rest of the drive down wages and drives up prices (and housing shortages, congestion etc). And we need to move away from permanent migration to more migrant workers. Bringing in hundreds of thousands of indian men as permanent residents will only make Australia's dependency ratio WORSE in the future, meaning paying contract migrant workers more will work out cheaper in the long run.

 

[lunaaaa4403]

But the status quo is not simply "the next best option". These shortages in doctors and nurses are precisely because the population has grown by so much. Vastly more Australian students want to become doctors than there are places (and the top, say, 5% of students who miss out would almost assuredly make better doctors than the average indian doctor that comes to Australia (at the same level of experience)).

As for nurses, if there's a nursing shortage, paying them more should be the first thing attempted. Instead, nurse pay have fallen in real terms over the past 5 years and weren't rising the decade before that.



The CFMEU strictly controls the effective amount of labor in the construction industry to ensure a permanent shortage - they with the support of their ALP cronies prevent any kind of competition, often violently so. Meanwhile, they, along with virtually all other unions, have been long time advocates for always increasing the immigration rate, the very thing which necessitates so much construction labor in the first place.

But as long as mass immigration has created massive infrastructures shortages, then forcing the CFMEU to compete with skilled foreign workers would be a good thing. What wouldn't be a good thing is just this generalised mass immigration where we hope that some of them do the jobs that we need them to do while the rest of the drive down wages and drives up prices (and housing shortages, congestion etc). And we need to move away from permanent migration to more migrant workers. Bringing in hundreds of thousands of indian men as permanent residents will only make Australia's dependency ratio WORSE in the future, meaning paying contract migrant workers more will work out cheaper in the long run.

bitch this country is like 5 years old, we were all immigrants a few generations ago

 

[Tony Stark]

First off, if you look in your school, who's working harder; the kid with parents born in Australia who slacks off thinking it doesn't matter, or the kid with immigrant parents working laboriously and literally depends on their education for a future?

Also, your argument that paying people more will make them want to do the job is false. People would rather have time than money (hence why people procrastinate, and leave things till last minute). Additionally, the Australian budget is not enough to just pay everyone more for what they do, because where is that money coming from? The work that they do. So money is not the answer here.

Additionally, if wages rise than so will the cost of the degree to get that job. Who's more likely to pay off their degree in less time? The person that gets paid 150K per year, or the person that gets paid 100K per year? Clearly, Unis will want to take advantage of pay rises.

bitch this country is like 5 years old, we were all immigrants a few generations ago

This is true. What about Australia's situation after the war, when British people were streaming into the country at such high volumes that Housing could barely keep up. https://collections.museumsvictoria.com.au/articles/13640

The post-war small home movement that helped deliver the great Australian dream

Tiny houses are all the rage at the moment for people looking for compact, affordable accommodation — but it's not the first time Australians have thought small.

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