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I think you're reading me wrong. I am clearly stating that if you could ensure there is no abuse that it would no longer be abuse nor could a pure utilitarian any longer justify vilification of pedophilia. I think the chance of these cases occurring... are incredibly tiny compared with such...

If you wish your beliefs to be taken seriously then I will level serious questions at them. You're old enough to handle yourself. Decide for myself? But... Why am I right and other people wrong? I have no justifiable reasons for why I'm right and they're wrong, their reasons will be equal...

It would no longer be sexual abuse if you could ensure that a child would never suffer from it (even when we imagine a human being as more than they are in their present form) unless you want to just create the ethic out of thin air that it's wrong to have sex with children. So sure, it wouldn't...

If you could remove a humans natural inclination to dislike the idea that they were sexually abused and whatever social pressures then sure I don't think anyone would be able to claim it's wrong anymore, certainly not on the basis of any sort of pain which I think is the easiest way to justify a...

Provide for me a rule by which I could come to find such evidence only in the bible and not by applying that same rule to the koran or other religious/prophetic text.

Yeah, whether it's by social condition or somehow due to their free will (idk where you would get this from, it's ALWAYS social conditioning the question needs to be applied in a much more subtle manner to be meaningful imo) the point is that they are highly likely to suffer and there is no way...

I have a belief system, it ultimately has no solid rational or otherwise basis to it and I've learned to accept that. The key point would be whether we can attribute such feelings to anything in particular... I believe we could find where they are in the mind and provide a physiological...

No I don't. I contend that children are icons of humanity and as such must be looked after as we imagine their mature, self-aware, older self would want them to be looked after.

First you have to establish it's a test for us to discuss the nature of the test... but to humour you, nor would it be a genuine test if there was no way to work it out.

The problem is that there's no evidence for this which can't be accounted for by evolution and that which can't be accounted for are usually the areas where we see the greatest correlation with social standards/upbringing... In the end though seriously this leads us no where, it ends up just...

So you're saying that we're not really listening to our conscience when we do the wrong thing because it's been corrupted? This leaves us no where, you can't tell me when it is wrong to do an act other than by alluding to some bad feeling you occasionally get and claiming that's when God's...

My conscience leads me somewhere different to you, is one of us not really listening to our conscience or does god imbue people with different morals?

Not necessarily because there's no way of knowing whether a child will grow up to hate it. I think we see people as icons which live outside of their body, so much as you could feel sorry for a mentally disabled person who has been reduced to the mental capabilities of a happy child as you can...

So which person's god-inspired morals are correct? Yours or the liberal preacher down the street?

hahah true. He used to be quite a rational guy but I don't think it was exciting enough for him or something.

Most people will never accept lots of things, some of them imo true. If you're looking for a more practical application of the discussion I would say that I want to cut people off at their kneecaps when they attempt to rationally show that their morals are correct - Almost as if they've been...

Hey, I agree. My point here is to show that in the end we're just exerting our desires as true and it has nothing to do with rationality. Will post more l8r.

Yeah sure, where's their harm? I'd argue it often doesn't exist.

Re: Barrack OBama or John Mccain? WE SHOULD JUST NUKE THA FUCKIN MUSSIES AND TAKE THEIR OIL HAHAHahhaha

Re: Barrack OBama or John Mccain? In the end it's likely there will still be many ethnic skirmishes, but the real solution is to build up a nationally respected government and well equipped army structure which incorporates all the ethnic militias and can fight insurgencies. Perhaps a pipe...