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You said it'd be in our interests to wait until the economies of scale exist for us to get the technology cheaper. (economies of scale ---> lower cost ---> better for us) Would we even know when that would be? And even if we were at such a point in time, could we easily brush aside the people...

Yeah, but a carbon tax is far more cost effective in the short term (and the carbon tax is a short term policy).

But then wouldn't it be in our best interests to wait until the technology got even cheaperer? There's a strong argument for getting in on this green wave early.

We're going green because the neighbours are doing it.

What's next? A fat tax?

Of course. But the quote is clearly irrelevant to the support or opposition to a Carbon Tax (or if you supported or opposed the GST.)

"Read my lips, there will be no GST" - John Howard Life went on.

The pathetic state of political discourse seems to be a global phenomenon.

wisdom

Why is it acceptable to ponder whether someone should be allowed to vote but not whether someone shouldn't be allowed to vote?

shit is about to get ugly hold me cosmo

it won't be long before Australia is the people's democratic republic of islamia

if you kill a cop you're in gaol for life. if you're a cop and you kill someone you're doing your job. makes sense to me.

brigid dixon is smoking hot still not gonna vote though

do you enjoy horse riding?

sry m8 what would you like to talk about? how about donald trump?

Your ad hominems aside, I was only lazily groping at a moral justification for democracy, in stead of pragmatically or historically (in terms of what came before it). I've never really tried before as I don't have a particular interest in democracy (or rather its hollowness) and considering the...

did lost in space teach you NOTHING

My point is: I'm disillusioned with the modern state because it seems to inevitably pursue behaviour modification of it subjects (people convinced of their own individuality, of their democratic equality etc!) regressing them to the norm. It's anti-human. That isn't democracy.

In no way or form did I resort to ad homs, beyond saying (somewhat sophist), I'm sorry you felt it as such, although I'm not surprised it provoked such an impassioned response. Accusations of sophistry aren't even ad hominems, in fact quite the opposite. They are an accusation of "a specious...