1st in course (1 Viewer)

[ashly]

I was wondering.. If you get 1st ranking in a subject does that guarantee you the highest HSC exam mark from your school in that subject? I've heard many different stories! If anyone knows that would help.. thanks

 

[Casmira]

basically it works as all hsc marks are ranked in accordance from highest to lowest, whatever you get for HSC is your hsc mark, regardless of ranks, however your assessment mark is determined by your rank and its according rank in HSC mark, for example if you are first in maths and the highest HSC mark is 95 (achieved by whoever) then that is your assessment mark allocated

 

[serge]

i think that used to be the case
but im pretty sure its an average now

an average of the mark u recieved and of what ur rank recieved

 

[drewgcn]

Playboy2Njoy, did you mean that if you come first ranked in assessments in your school, then you'll get your school assessment mark as the Highest HSC mark from your cohort?

Because I'm fairly sure what you said about being first in a course excludes said pesron from moderation/scaling isnt right at all...

 

[fleepbasding]

I've made a few posts on this, and I'm quite sure that what I say is correct. No one has yet corrected me anyway! Here they are-

"Rank number one has the special privelige of being exempt from the moderation process (the process by which your class might 'drag' you up or down). Your rank number 1 is potentialy as valuable as the rank number one of a selective school or anything. Rank number one means that your classes highest exam mark will become your internal assesment mark. So say you get the highest HSC exam mark in your class with 93 or something then 93 will be your internal assesment mark (and thus your entire HSC mark because your exam mark is also 93). If someone else in the class gets the highest exam mark, then that exam mark will become your internal assesment. In this scenario if you got 80 in the exam and your classmate got 90, then you would get 90 as your internal assesment mark and 80 as your exam mark, meaning a final HSC mark of 85. So to answer your question, no. When you are number one, your class can be as shit as you like but this won't drag you down."

In the case of two people coming equal first...

"If two people are coming 1st then the two highest exam marks will be averaged and the two top students will recieve that for their internal assesment marks. For example, say the two number ones receive 94 and 88 for their exams. For their internal assesment mark, these two exam marks (assuming they are the highest exam marks in the class) are averaged ((94+88) divided by 2= 91). So they both receive 91 for their internal assesment marks and once these are averaged with their respective exam marks, so for their final HSC marks they will each recieve 92.5 (93) and 89.5 (90). I hope this is clear enough, and if their are any errors in what I've said, then by all means, somebody correct me! But, to answer your question- yes. essentially the same applies dor equal firsts, though the conditions I've described are imposed."

Hope this has helped. The process that happens to ranks other than first (and last) is more complex. Casmira's post is incorrect I think. Though I'm not much of a maths kid, so I can't explain it.

 

[Lazarus]

Just thought I'd confirm that what you've said is correct, fleepbasding.

Casmira's post isn't technically correct, but it can be a useful way of thinking about the whole process.

 

[JimmyK]

thanks for the info!! thats a great help!!
but what happens to the people in the middle?? do they get given the matching ranked HSC marks (ranked from top to bottom) as their internal assessment.. and then that will be averaged with their raw HSC mark?? - i hope that makes sense

 

[Casmira]

Just thought I'd confirm that what you've said is correct, fleepbasding.

Casmira's post isn't technically correct, but it can be a useful way of thinking about the whole process.

indeed it takes to long to explain

 

[etc. etc. etc.]

Rank number one means that your classes highest exam mark will become your internal assesment mark.

But say.... the class doesn't do too well in the exam. The usual number 1 is still first, but with a mark of say.... 84, where they've been averaging 95s+ all year.

Does that mean that all their good marks from the year go down to an 84?

I'm confused. That doesn't seem right.

 

[fleepbasding]

But say.... the class doesn't do too well in the exam. The usual number 1 is still first, but with a mark of say.... 84, where they've been averaging 95s+ all year.

Does that mean that all their good marks from the year go down to an 84?

I'm confused. That doesn't seem right.

Yes, that is what happens. If rank number 1 gets 84, and that is the highest exam mark, then they will recieve 84 for their overall HSC mark. I guess the system is designed to prevent people who have had easy markers from getting uber marks, which seems right to me.

 

[etc. etc. etc.]

I don't know.... seems a little off too me.

I'm imagining situations where the 1st in course is far ahead of everyone else in the class, yet are some how sick/extremelly nervous/distracted in some way from acheiving their best in the actual HSC exam..... and so they don't do so well, and all their great assesment marks are stuffed because of it.

Surely that must happen to some people? They continously get 98, 99, 96, 95, etc for their assesments, and the rest of their class only ever get low 80s etc. They're first all year, yet stuff up the exam and end up with a low band 5.

That seems wacked. It seems almost like a punishment for being 1st?

(I'm worried because I'm first in two courses, far above everyone else, but also prone to panic attacks in exams)

I don't know, seems like it should just be an average, like everyone else. Ie. 97 assesment mark, 93 exam mark = 95 overall mark. Surely some teachers can't mark THAT easily at school, that the difference would be really large?

 

[fleepbasding]

Well, the risk of panic attacks and nerves applies to all HSC students, so there is no reason why number 1 should get some sort of special provision on this front. I know how you feel though- it feels less stable knowing that you're going to get the top exam mark, almost regardless of performance, and so you pretty much get your whole HSC mark on one exam. Just try and overcome nerves and do plenty of practice papers and you'll be fine.

 

[etc. etc. etc.]

Do you know how it works with subjects like Visual Arts, D-Tech, Society and Culture etc.... that have two external assesments (ie. the HSC exam and the submitted major work) ?

 

[fleepbasding]

I don't know, seems like it should just be an average, like everyone else. Ie. 97 assesment mark, 93 exam mark = 95 overall mark. Surely some teachers can't mark THAT easily at school, that the difference would be really large?

well, if you do have a 97 assesment mark, it is quite possible that your teacher does mark easily (no offense, and I don't know how good you are), so it is important to have these measures in place. When I first found out about this condition I felt the same way as you, but look at it this way- You could also get a higher exam mark than your raw assesment and end up with a higher mark. Try to focus on the positives.

 

[fleepbasding]

Do you know how it works with subjects like Visual Arts, D-Tech, Society and Culture etc.... that have two external assesments (ie. the HSC exam and the submitted major work) ?

The highest exam mark will be the highest number after the two externals have been added together.

 

[etc. etc. etc.]

Alright, well thanks very much for your help then.