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9/11 | Conspiracy? (1 Viewer)

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Personally Im very sceptifcal of conspiracy theories in relation to 9/11, however this program last night was quite convincing and forwarded some decent evidence (Although I still find it very hard to believe it was a conspiracy). But in any case, I have also seen pictures that disprove what they showed in the program last night (like picutres on parts of a plane at the pentagon, yet conspiracy theorists dont think a plane did it :rolleyes: )

I didnt see the entire program, but some of the main points were:

* The second plane at least that crashed into the world trade centre had an object underneath it uncharacteristic of a airliner, their was also a flash on the tower just before the plane impacted, what was that? In addition to this, numerous eye witnesses stated just after the attack that they believe it wasnt a airliner because from what they saw, it didnt have windows! The program also showed how numerous US army planes resemble air liners and so could have been used in the attack.

* In the pentagon attack, the hole made by the plane didnt fit the size of a airliner, it was just to small. In addition to this, it was mentioned how the pentagon has steal reinforcements on the outer edges, yet the 'plane' easily sliced through these and these reinforcements in future simulations were not taken into consideration. ALso, only one camera angle of the crash has ever been show, despite the pentagon have a camera every 10m on the outside and every inch being screened inside. Their was also a story that some petrol station that had a camera facing in the direction of the crash had its tape confiscated. Lastly, some 'specialists' said that with the amount of fuel on board due to the flights being trans continental the area arouund the pentagon under some law would have to be declared an environmental hazard or something, meaning all the immediately effect land would have to be extrtacted.

* The plane that crashed into the ground (flight 93) had previously been reported by some media source as being grounded due to suspision of a bomb being on board, yet a short time after the incident supposedly took place the plane had crashed into the ground?

* Numerous firefighters etc who saw the towers collapse were shocked at the uniform collapse of the towers, and even stated at the time that it was 'like' demolition charges. And this kinda sounds right to, if the main support thingys at the top of the crash gave way, wouldnt the top of the building fall away and then maybe the building collapse? Instead, it fell on itselfs perfectly and then entire strucutre, for such a LARGE building, didnt spread out to far as you would expect from a uncontrolled collapse.

* Lastly, they use the fact that previous governments during the cold war had consideried attacking their own people to raise disconentment towards Russia as evidence that they would do such a thing

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If all of that is true, who launced the attack?
The program suggested the US Government did. For eg, it recons the 2nd plane to crash into the towers was some sought of military plane due to its lack of windows and object underneath that matches a particular military plane.

Did the Americans really know in advance that it was going to happen so they could invade the Middle East?
I think its undeniable that the Americnas new about the attacks (if they were done by terroists), for eg, in the days leading up to sept 11 certain officials were told not to get on a plane on sept11 in New York or something like that, and others also cancelled their flights. A coincidence?

Or was it the Israelis who found out about it and didn't tip the Americans off because it suited them to have the US intervene in the region
I think the US knew, maybe not of the size, but that an attack would occur. Other conspiracy theorists however actaully believe the Israelis did it, maybe with US support..... although I highly doubt it.

Take it all as a grain of salt, I say.
Cant agree n e more. I think that program as well was extremely subjective and distorted the facts. Like it is quite clear a bomb didnt hit the pentagon, numerous sources saw the plane, bits of the plane were left behind, and light poles leading up to the pentagon had been hit to the ground by it. Still, the towers attacks and their collapse is interesting.

Matt Daaaaamon.
Lol. That movie was like the first to make me cry after I had laughed so much :D
 

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I have believed from the outset that this whole 911 shit was a govt conspiracy, so "911 in plane site" only re affirmed my thoughts, although the doco is about a yr old.

But there is even more proof that this whole shit was set up. Some of the Hijackers that were alleged to be behind the suicide bombings HAVE MYSTERIOUSLY TURNED UP ALIVE....don't believe me?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
 

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If it was a conspiracy, some mastermind plan, then how could so many cheap ass shows be made about the conspiracy? If it truely was a conspiracy then the government (or who ever are the conspirators) would have done a better job at stopping the conspiracy from being exposed.
 

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loose change is awesome, i have seen it before.
 

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Comrade nathan said:
If it was a conspiracy, some mastermind plan, then how could so many cheap ass shows be made about the conspiracy? If it truely was a conspiracy then the government (or who ever are the conspirators) would have done a better job at stopping the conspiracy from being exposed.
The fact of the matter is that "they were stupid enough to think such a plan would never surface"
 

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You're foolish zahid... while many times throughout history the American government has done things in order to spark a war, this is simply too elaborate and pointless a scheme for anyone to ever undertake.

There are just too many variables, too many risks... They could of perhaps set off a bomb inside the building such as the former terrorist attack.

* The second plane at least that crashed into the world trade centre had an object underneath it uncharacteristic of a airliner, their was also a flash on the tower just before the plane impacted, what was that? In addition to this, numerous eye witnesses stated just after the attack that they believe it wasnt a airliner because from what they saw, it didnt have windows! The program also showed how numerous US army planes resemble air liners and so could have been used in the attack.
It's very hard to see something that is going so fast, especially given glare etc. Eye witness testimony is also almost always useless.

The program suggested the US Government did. For eg, it recons the 2nd plane to crash into the towers was some sought of military plane due to its lack of windows and object underneath that matches a particular military plane.
Why wouldn't have the government just used a civilian plane? Surely if they can secretly buy military planes and crash them into buildings without anyone find out they can buy a civilian plane and do the same?

I think its undeniable that the Americnas new about the attacks (if they were done by terroists), for eg, in the days leading up to sept 11 certain officials were told not to get on a plane on sept11 in New York or something like that, and others also cancelled their flights. A coincidence?
People are told not to go places all the time. "Stay in your office and do some work", or whatever... Scheduling and planning happens all the time, I bet on september 10th people also had planned on going on a plane trip but were held back by something.

In the pentagon attack, the hole made by the plane didnt fit the size of a airliner, it was just to small. In addition to this, it was mentioned how the pentagon has steal reinforcements on the outer edges, yet the 'plane' easily sliced through these and these reinforcements in future simulations were not taken into consideration. ALso, only one camera angle of the crash has ever been show, despite the pentagon have a camera every 10m on the outside and every inch being screened inside. Their was also a story that some petrol station that had a camera facing in the direction of the crash had its tape confiscated. Lastly, some 'specialists' said that with the amount of fuel on board due to the flights being trans continental the area arouund the pentagon under some law would have to be declared an environmental hazard or something, meaning all the immediately effect land would have to be extrtacted.
It's the PENTAGON! They don't want people seeing what goes on there or how exactly the building is made.

I think the US knew, maybe not of the size, but that an attack would occur.
Warnings about attacks come in all the time. The US is a hated country... I doubt a day goes by without several people threatening to blow something up or to kill someone.

The plane that crashed into the ground (flight 93) had previously been reported by some media source as being grounded due to suspision of a bomb being on board, yet a short time after the incident supposedly took place the plane had crashed into the ground?
Now this conspiracy is getting even bigger and more elaborate... Don't you think it's much more likely that the little news source simply got mistaken ? I mean yesterday there were tonnes of stories that all those miners had lived all over the news, today we wake up and they're dead.

Must have been the government.

Numerous firefighters etc who saw the towers collapse were shocked at the uniform collapse of the towers, and even stated at the time that it was 'like' demolition charges. And this kinda sounds right to, if the main support thingys at the top of the crash gave way, wouldnt the top of the building fall away and then maybe the building collapse? Instead, it fell on itselfs perfectly and then entire strucutre, for such a LARGE building, didnt spread out to far as you would expect from a uncontrolled collapse.
There are structural reasons as to why it collapsed the way it did, I suggest you go and look those up for yourself. They are much more accurate and come from much more reputable sources than 'firefighters say it looked like a demolition' and 'come on it shouldn't have collapsed that way!'.

Lastly, they use the fact that previous governments during the cold war had consideried attacking their own people to raise disconentment towards Russia as evidence that they would do such a thing
lol I have no doubt that the US has done things in the past in order to start a war, however this is simply too elaborate a plan.
 

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zahid said:
The fact of the matter is that "they were stupid enough to think such a plan would never surface"
And you were stupid enough to believe a dude who makes shit up so he can get ratings.
 

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No, the dude did not make up this shit to get ratings, they are not his own findings. He forms a part of the Truth Alliance.
 

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They had a documentory awhile back about some of the well known conspiracy theorists who make a living out of their work. Alot of them admited to just making stuff up, using their imagination and a general procedure to write their theories.
 

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Yes... America really did land on the moon. They have evidence from so many independent sources that I cannot believe you would even ask that question.
 

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There was a site which refuted every moon conspiracy theory there is, but I can't remember it.
 

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Observatories....... Geologists......... Photographers.......... Perhaps google search for 'man did really land on the moon' instead of just constantly looking up the conspiracy crap. Look at both, then come back and tell us what you believe.
 

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BumJockey Bill said:
These types of debates have been going on for years. Some believe it some don't.
I wouldn't be surprised if something like this was really a conspiracy. After all did America really land on the moon first?
This site sums it up pretty well.

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/911smokingguns.html
The fact that that site has stupid shit like "Madrid happened 911 days after 9/11" pretty much invalidates it.
 

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There is no conspiracy and the proof is simple. The US government is not organised enough to fake a moon landing or commit a terrorist attack against their own country and cover it up. Too many people would need to know about it and the truth would get out.
 

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