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Actually I think it has more to do with the jobs of people in the bush these days. In his day unions would have been stronger in the bush due to less machines on farms and more workers. These days you probably just have the people who live on farms and in towns where it is mainly serviced based - not many manufacturing/blue collar type jobs or unionised workers.

People in the bush tend to be more socially conservative. Kay Hull is also a good hardworking locally focused MP.
 
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As he was responsible for multiculturalism and the denunciation of reverse discrimination, we can inadvertantly hold him responsible for many of the problems that currently exist within Australian society....
 

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Yes ignorance should be laughed at...

If comments such as the Sheiks in regards to Australian women had been directed to the Islamic community by a Christian representative, the entire church would be placed into disrepute by the media and the like.... if thats not reverse discrimination I dont know what is...

"Yes. There were no crimes in Australia before immigration or different cultures

Yes society is by far worse than it was in the 1930s."

Please specifiy where I stated such comments....
 

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I did not specify that 'no crime' existed before immigration etc. Again Asquithian has, as lawyers quite commonly succed in doing, taken my comments out of context.
Now we have a society whereby immense cultural/racial differences and conflicts have resulted in a greater scope of crime within the community.... mutliracism is a fantastic idea... however the idea that multi culturalism is feasable is a fallacy....
How can two cultures such as say, the jews and the palestinians, who have such a tumultuous history attempt to live in relative harmony even with problems continuing today... the fact is if they continue to totally pertain to their original culture more problems will tend to arise..resentment runs very deep...

And Asquithian..."many" of the problems... not all... read the words
 
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However, the fact of the matter is , that many cultures incite hatred and opposition towards the beliefs and values of others. Now you say that it only creates problems when they do not understand or accept difference. I can assure you with much conviction that there are many cultures that reside within this country that, as you put it, do not understand or accept the differences in cultural norms. For instance, each cultural community may have differing perceptions of deviance, and hence opposing ideas on what is right or wrong within a society. The cultural norms of society are not homogenous and this is often the underlying factor in causing problems between cultural communities.

I believe that you are recognising multi-racism rather than multiculturalism (btw a white supremist would accept NEITHER). By the third or fourth generation the basic tenets of the culture are often balanced out or in some instances overridden by the Australian (or native) way of living. This is where the idea becomes more feasable. Although they may still pertain to certain aspects of their cultures, they begin to show more acceptance and tolerance to others. Prior to this, there is often a clear existence of cultural segregation and a heavy emphasis on the maintenence and progression of the original culture.
Therein lies the main problem in regards to not accepting or recognising cultural difference. Segregation does not facilitate the increased understanding and opinion of the cultures that concurrently reside with the culture at question. It merely, as mentioned, promotes and maintains the staunch beliefs of that particular set of values. In most instances there is not a concerted effort, particularly by extremists, to accept that certain norms in their culture are scarce or non-existant in another.

Moreover, your comments denoting me as a racist and white supremist, are out of line. I dont not deplore other 'races' nor do I deplore other cultures. I believe unequivocally in a multi-racial society and one that promotes fairness and equality before the law regardless of extract. However, I am merely saying that the ideas of mulit-culturalism that Grassby promoted, have resulted in and provided more potential problems in society than would have otherwise existed. That is not to say that they should reject their culture entirely, but live in a manner that accomodates values inherent to both cultures at question.

The rather hilarious thing is that the cultures that we do accept into this country have extremely rigid and narrow views when it does come to mulit-culturalism back in their home countries. This notion is very rarely left behind. We have Asian, Eastern European, Middle Eastern and even Islander cultures coming to our country and maintaining the belief that theirs reigns supreme, often rejecting moral and legal values that exist in Australian society. If we were to reverse this scenario and migrate to their countries and subsequently act in the manner that they do, we would be ostracised and in all likelihood punished according to their extremely rigid and unrelenting legal boundaries. Would people laugh at our nation if it were not mulitcultural? Do we sneer and jeer at the Malays? the Chinese? the Saudi's? the Japanese? the Croats? the Serbs? the Palestinians? (the list could go on) for being so intraverted and not accepting others within their cultures .. I think not. We recognise that the foundations of these cultures are often conflicting with others and a MC society would not be possible. Notwithstanding this, we accept them into our country to escape the ills that may be rampant within their society. However many (not all) come here, totally reject the myriad of cultural differences that exist, and the problems begin....

White supremist and racist I think not.... They are just terms coined by libertarians who perceive that all cultures are capable of living in complete harmony and without difference....you can deny it all you like however, it is MY opinion that multi-culturalism in its purest sense is not possible and I can predict that many within this nation (not particularly on this forum) would agree. You can label me all you like however that won't prove a point nor will it affect me. Is recognising the igonrance of some cultures towards others racist or supremist? You can believe what you like...

We could go on for days and never agree.... How unusual Asq.
 

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Asq, where has he said that ethnics are responsible for higher crime rates and i dont consider this boy to be racist I think u are just overreacting
 
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Asquithian said:
Racial differences created a greater chance for crime.
His original post didnt mention crime, you brought up crime

frog12986 said:
As he was responsible for multiculturalism and the denunciation of reverse discrimination, we can inadvertantly hold him responsible for many of the problems that currently exist within Australian society....
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I can only laugh at such ignorant comments. 'Reverse discrimination' You sound like pauline hanson.

Yes. There were no crimes in Australia before immigration or different cultures :rolleyes:

Yes society is by far worse than it was in the 1930s.

Becuse people of non white ethnic origin committ crimes does not mean that all people who are not part of Australian 'culture' are evil. Therefore they should all be stopped from coming to Australia. White people do not committ crimes its all the 'brown' people. BTW i'm not a racist its just that all brown coloured people cause all problems with this country.
 

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Asquithian said:
..and what you do think he means by problems?

He stated that problems meant 'crime'...thats in the quote above. Can you read?

He is also doing a policing degree and considering Frog's previous often very far right wing posts i doubt he is talking about immigrants not getting access to education or some other 'bleeding heart' issue
He could have meant no crime realted violence or discrimination between groups, problematic communication between those ppl in Australia who cant speak a word of English and try and talk to ppl at a shop or in public and cant be understood, traditional chinese families who believe that their children should only date and marry other Chinese or Asian ppl
 

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Haha good work in keeping true to form, Korn.
what does that mean, do I have some sort of reputation or something???????

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He is also doing a policing degree and considering Frog's previous often very far right wing posts i doubt he is talking about immigrants not getting access to education or some other 'bleeding heart' issue
So u assume he is talking about crime because he is doing a policing degree, I thought law was based on fact NOT assumptions
 

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