clash with subjects (1 Viewer)

[§eraphim]

wat happens if u have a clash with ur subjects next yr? for those subjects with few ppl (<100 enrolled) can u negotiate a new time?

 

[sunny]

No. Bookings for lecture theatres etc are extremely tight - changing the time for one subject would lead to many problems. Its not just a matter of asking your lecturer to change the time, that just doesn't work.

If they are electives, you probably have no choice but to pick another.

 

[§eraphim]

No. Bookings for lecture theatres etc are extremely tight - changing the time for one subject would lead to many problems. Its not just a matter of asking your lecturer to change the time, that just doesn't work.

If they are electives, you probably have no choice but to pick another.

Recommended Study Plan for the BCom/BSc Combined Degree (Program 3529) with Majors in Finance and Mathematics or Statistics

Year 1 Session 1
ECON1101 Microeconomics 1
FINS1612 Capital Markets and Institutions
MATH1151 Mathematics for Actuarial Studies and Finance 1A
COMP1091 Solving Problems with Software

Year 1 Session 2
ECON1102 Macroeconomics 1
FINS1613 Business Finance
MATH1251 Mathematics for Actuarial Studies and Finance 1B
MATH1081 Discrete Mathematics

Year 2 Session 1
ACCT1501 Accounting and Financial Management 1A
FINS2624 Portfolio Management
MATH2111 Higher Several Variable Calculus
MATH2901 Higher Theory of Statistics

Year 2 Session 2
ACCT1511 Accounting and Financial Management 1B
FINS3616 International Business Finance
MATH2601 Higher Linear Algebra
MATH2931 Higher Linear Models

Year 3 Session 1
FINS3640 Investment Management Modelling
ECON2101 Microeconomics 2
MATH2520 Complex Analysis
MATH3610 Higher Real Analysis
MATH3901 Higher Stochastic Processes

Year 3 Session 2
FINS3635 Options Futures and Risk Management
FINS3641 Security Analysis and Valuation
MATH2130 Higher Mathematical Methods for Differential Equations
MATH3620 Higher Functional Analysis
MATH3630 Higher Integration and Mathematical Probability
MATH3980 Higher Advanced Probability

Year 4 Session 1
FINS3775 Research Methods in Finance 1
6uc Finance option
MATH3161 Optimization Methods
MATH4012 Mathematics and Finance Thesis Project (half)

Year 4 Session 2
FINS3636 Interest Rate Risk Management
FINS3642 Strategies for Investment Management
MATH3311 Mathematical Computing for Finance
MATH4012 Mathematics and Finance Thesis Project (half)

It says in the recommended study plan that u should take FINS3640 Investment Management Modelling and MATH3901 Higher Probability & Stochastic Processes in Session 1.

FINS3640 Investment Mgmt Modeling
LEC 0001 3201 Enr Open 111/150 74% Tue 12-14 (Biomed ThB)

MATH3901 Higher Prob & Stochastic Proc
LEC 0001 5306 Enr Open 26/50 52% Tue 12 (Myers Thtr); Tue 13 (Myers Thtr); Thu 12 (Ritchie Th); Fri 15 (MENG 203)

However, as you can see these 2 subjects clash. But this is the recommended study plan given by the School of Maths. Any clarification would be much appreciated.

 

[sunny]

This is a problem of the School of Maths. If it is the recommended plan, there should be many others with the same problem as you (most probably haven't enrolled for next year yet).

These things happen - they unknowingly clash two core courses and people get confused. This year they clashed discrete maths and computing 1A which affected probably couple of hundred people.

Contact maths, and ask them to sort it out.

 

[laney]

i had a clash this year,i only knew of one other person with the same clash, so i couldn't enroll in either subjects. i contacted the admin person from my school and he said i just had to get written permission from both lecturers of which the clashes occured that they were aware of the problem and voila.

one class a week clashed and i missed alternate lectures and i got friends to take notes.

 

[maniacguy]

1) Depending on the subject you may be able to renegotiate the times (if you were doing third year Higher subjects in Pure maths, for instance, the timetable is negotiated on the first day of session by the students and lecturers!). In this particular case, though, no you wouldn't, since MATH3901 is for some reason quite popular nowadays (since the whole Actuarial/Maths and Finance/Maths thing seems to have taken off).

2) The "recommended study plan" is meant to be purely as an indicative sort of thing. There is no onus on you to do the subjects listed there, or in that order or anything like that, aside from those you have to do for your program*. Look at the one without subjects listed but with things like "12uc Maths options" sortof thing.

Besides, those plans were designed based on timetables in previous years when it's possible that there was not a clash. And even if there is a clash, you can get permission to do it anyway, as laney says.

*And in this case, MATH2130 is the ONLY subject you HAVE to do after the ones in second year. All other commerce subjects are optional (i.e. substitute appropriate alternatives as you see fit), and in terms of maths subjects:

- you'd have to do one of MATH2520/2620 (complex analysis) or MATH2810/2910 (statistical computing for categorical data). If you wanted to do statistics, the latter is compulsory, if you wanted to do pure/applied maths then the former is.

- if you want to major in statistics, then there are various compulsory subjects you have to do of the third year ones, and similarly for pure/applied (though they tend to be more on doing X units of credit).

- you should do MATH4012 unless you plan on doing an Honours year, in which case you'll be doing a thesis anyway as part of that.


Basically, to sum up:
Do not treat the recommended plan as set in stone. Figure out what you want to do, then figure out a way to do it. Talk to Dennis Trenerry (executive assistant for maths) if you have any major issues, and he'll be able to help you on the requirements from the maths side of things with keeping prerequisites/corequisites, etc. No idea who deals with it in finance.

 

[§eraphim]

1) Depending on the subject you may be able to renegotiate the times (if you were doing third year Higher subjects in Pure maths, for instance, the timetable is negotiated on the first day of session by the students and lecturers!). In this particular case, though, no you wouldn't, since MATH3901 is for some reason quite popular nowadays (since the whole Actuarial/Maths and Finance/Maths thing seems to have taken off).

2) The "recommended study plan" is meant to be purely as an indicative sort of thing. There is no onus on you to do the subjects listed there, or in that order or anything like that, aside from those you have to do for your program*. Look at the one without subjects listed but with things like "12uc Maths options" sortof thing.

Besides, those plans were designed based on timetables in previous years when it's possible that there was not a clash. And even if there is a clash, you can get permission to do it anyway, as laney says.

*And in this case, MATH2130 is the ONLY subject you HAVE to do after the ones in second year. All other commerce subjects are optional (i.e. substitute appropriate alternatives as you see fit), and in terms of maths subjects:

- you'd have to do one of MATH2520/2620 (complex analysis) or MATH2810/2910 (statistical computing for categorical data). If you wanted to do statistics, the latter is compulsory, if you wanted to do pure/applied maths then the former is.

- if you want to major in statistics, then there are various compulsory subjects you have to do of the third year ones, and similarly for pure/applied (though they tend to be more on doing X units of credit).

- you should do MATH4012 unless you plan on doing an Honours year, in which case you'll be doing a thesis anyway as part of that.


Basically, to sum up:
Do not treat the recommended plan as set in stone. Figure out what you want to do, then figure out a way to do it. Talk to Dennis Trenerry (executive assistant for maths) if you have any major issues, and he'll be able to help you on the requirements from the maths side of things with keeping prerequisites/corequisites, etc. No idea who deals with it in finance.

i prefer not having to do the thesis project AMTH4012. in the future, can i avoid enrolling in this even though i do not plan to do honours in maths? instead, i wish to take further math courses.

 

[maniacguy]

As the rules stand, you don't have to do it (it's strongly recommended, but that's not the same as compulsory):

http://www.maths.unsw.edu.au/students/current/ugfinanceprograms.html

"The Level 1 and 2 Mathematics courses listed (except MATH2931) are compulsory and the others are strongly recommended. (MATH1151/1251 replace MATH1131/1231 and MATH2910 replaces MATH2620 in the formal requirements for a Mathematics major.)"

Edit:
Check the rules again when the time comes around. They make minor changes every year or two. I expect that one to stay the same, though.

 

[Mill]

Alternatively skip the lectures?

If you know someone who did ACTL2003 the topics appear to be exactly the same, and apparently the MATH version is easier. I can't comment yet though. Just finished ACTL 2003 and doing that MATH course next session.

 

[§eraphim]

As the rules stand, you don't have to do it (it's strongly recommended, but that's not the same as compulsory):

http://www.maths.unsw.edu.au/students/current/ugfinanceprograms.html

"The Level 1 and 2 Mathematics courses listed (except MATH2931) are compulsory and the others are strongly recommended. (MATH1151/1251 replace MATH1131/1231 and MATH2910 replaces MATH2620 in the formal requirements for a Mathematics major.)"

Edit:
Check the rules again when the time comes around. They make minor changes every year or two. I expect that one to stay the same, though.

has any1 ever thought of doing this (MATH4012 Mathematics and Finance Thesis Project) over the summer session? if i want to do this on top of my 192 uoc, r the extra 12uoc for this thesis project charged on HECS basis?