Crime Statistics (1 Viewer)

[frog12986]

From what I've gathered through my study, the newly released Crime Statistics that the Government has so proudly promoted seem to be an insufficient measure. The figures imply that crime in Sydney is steadily falling, however I would undoubtedly believe that the levels of unreported crime must be on the increase to warrant such figures.
Therein lies the primary problem with these statistical measures in that they do not encapsulate the crime in the community in its entirety. Im sure many of you would be well aware of numbers of crimes, particularly sexual assuault, that do in fact get reported to the police. On average, out of 1000 crimes, only 40% are reported, 32%recorded, 6.4% detected and 4.3% convicted. These are rather startling figures and in my opinon more effectively convey the state of crime within our society.

Moreover is Ken Moroney really convinced by the figures as well, because the impression from the media conference was that he endorsed the statistics. Is the Carr government slowly manipulating Moroney more and more? The fact is, he needs to be an independent adjudicator and not simply another voice for the governments spin. If he is to manage the police with the interests of the community at the forefront of his agenda, then he needs to further himself from the governments control.


Any thoughts..or opinons on Crime levels...

 

[Slidey]

What are crime levels like in Brisbane?

 

[zahid]

Luvin the siggy Asq.

 

[frog12986]

Asq, police numbers have actually declined 500 in the past 12 months...The flawed PAL or Police Assistance Line merely acts as a bottleneck in the reporting process, particularly of minor crimes and often distorts these figures. The general consensus amongst officers is that crime has not been reduced and they observe this on the front line.
Sexual assualt awareness has not increased the reporting numbers as the perpetrators tend to be family members or known to the victim. Hence the reluctance to report is extremely high and unfortunately no amount of awareness will attune society to deal with such problems. Did you happen to watch Australian Story last night? Very interesting in regard to sexual assault etc

 

[ohne]

Bob Car got into office on his policies of law and order.

Actually Bob Carr got into office because of making promises he never intended to keep such as removing road tolls and also because the electoral system in NSW is extremely biased towards the ALP. The coalition won 52.5% of the vote in 1995 (about the same as the coalition federally in 2004) but they still lost office.

In my opinion he has managed to stay in power because for some bizarre reason, the people of NSW always seem to elect the opposite party to that in power in Canberra.

70s - Fraser PM Wran Premier
80s- Hawke PM Griener Premier
90s/00s - Howard PM Carr Premier

Maroney is an absolute apologist for the Carr government. I find it hard to believe that he is an "independent" commisioner. Why do you think they got rid Ryan? He was actually an independent commisioner.

 

[frog12986]

Commissioner Ryan was also a pawn for Bob Carr, and in saying that was responsible for many of the crime problems across Sydney, notable the Drug trade throughout his appointment... Any suggestion that he was more effective than Ken Moroney has to be absurd. I am by no means endorsing Moroney, but rather accentuating the distain officers have towards his predecessor...

 

[frog12986]

That is true asq, and I acknoweldge Carr has kept the promise of increasing police numbers by 1000, however it as also declined since the sharp rise....For once I do also agree that we must depoliticise these ideas (despite my political connotations previously)..

 

[frog12986]

In appointing a foreigner though, we had a commissioner who did not know the history of crime in NSW and the most effective methods of fighting crime outside of Britain. The fact is, Ryan was responsible for the over-bureaucratisation of the police service, and endorsed the prevalence of 'pen-pushers' into the all to plentiful commanding roles over experienced officers who knew the 'game' ....In turn crime prevention and crime fighting became all te more difficult... And the revelation of officers such as Laycock etc simply display how even his attempts at fighting corruption were a failure and that they continued to function...

 

[christ_ine]

Personally, I think Ryan royally screwed up.

 

[Jonathan A]

From what I've gathered through my study, the newly released Crime Statistics that the Government has so proudly promoted seem to be an insufficient measure. The figures imply that crime in Sydney is steadily falling, however I would undoubtedly believe that the levels of unreported crime must be on the increase to warrant such figures.
Therein lies the primary problem with these statistical measures in that they do not encapsulate the crime in the community in its entirety. Im sure many of you would be well aware of numbers of crimes, particularly sexual assuault, that do in fact get reported to the police. On average, out of 1000 crimes, only 40% are reported, 32%recorded, 6.4% detected and 4.3% convicted. These are rather startling figures and in my opinon more effectively convey the state of crime within our society.

Moreover is Ken Moroney really convinced by the figures as well, because the impression from the media conference was that he endorsed the statistics. Is the Carr government slowly manipulating Moroney more and more? The fact is, he needs to be an independent adjudicator and not simply another voice for the governments spin. If he is to manage the police with the interests of the community at the forefront of his agenda, then he needs to further himself from the governments control.


Any thoughts..or opinons on Crime levels...

Not all crimes are reported. the fact that crime without a weapon goes down, and robbery with a weapon goes up shows that crime is being 'displaced', in this case it is mutilitating, people have more ways to commit crimes, less people are reporting crimes, more crimes are becoming more complicated. Bob Carr is also mistaken if he thinks bringing crime levels down to when he first got into government is an achievement, if anything, he has brought them to where he first started off.

 

[Jonathan A]

Wasn't Ryan appointed by the Carr government?

You cannot dispute the notion that law and order has been the key to all state elections since 1988.

Ryan was independent, a man who had powers and took advantage of them.

 

[Jonathan A]

Personally, I think Ryan royally screwed up.

My father knew Ryan quite well, I managed to meet him as well. Ryan does note he made a lot of mistakes, but his agenda to clean out crime conflicted. The fact is you had people like Tim Priest another good person whom I attended a Parliamentary Lunch with when he launched his book on zero-tolerance, who had the same ends as Ryan but a different way of achieving them.