Difference between BA-Psyc and BPsyc (1 Viewer)

[lmnopq]

What is the difference between these degrees? BPsyc has a higher UAI.. but I don't understand why. BA-Psyc allows for more flexibility right? Does one take longer than the other (including honours)?? Please help!

 

[Cyan_phoeniX]

Barts-psych is a 3 year course.

Bpsych (honours) is a 4 year course and is accredited (that is, you do this to be on your way to becoming a psychologist).

There is also Barts-Psych (honours), which is a 4 year course and is also actually accredited.

On the surface the names explain themselves. Bpsych (honours) is a psychology degree... Barts-psych is an arts degree with a major in psychology. In practical terms, the latter jsut means you did a few less psych units than what is required for the honours degree (but did more 'arts' subjects.

There is actually less difference between Barts-psych and Bpsych (honours) as you would think. If you want to do Bpsych (honours), and become a psychologist, but didnt get the uai to do it, then all you need to do is the Barts-psych and choose a few more psych units as electives over the years (which are cores for the honours program). The important thing is that, if you did these extra units, then on the FOURTH YEAR you can transfer into Bpsych (honours) if you have a good enough gpa. What is important is that even IF you were doing a Bpsych (honours), you will STILL need a certain gpa to continue with it in 4th year anyway (admittedly, if you did honours, the gpa requirement is pretty much set as a 3.25+, whereas, the gpa you need to transfer to a Bpsych (honours) from a Barts-psych is 'competitive'- though it seems to be about a 3.25+ aswell each year- though that may change).

This is all from what i have gathered. if anyone can spot a mistake, please correct me.

This may all seem confusing, but it will make sense in time.

 

[lmnopq]

Thanks for that explanation! So if I am doing a BA-Psyc right now, is it possible for me to transfer into BPsyc in the middle of my first year or for second year? Because i want a Psyc degree not an arts degree...

Also, is it possible to combine BPsyc with other degrees such as LLB or is that only possible with BA-Psyc

 

[Cyan_phoeniX]

Thanks for that explanation! So if I am doing a BA-Psyc right now, is it possible for me to transfer into BPsyc in the middle of my first year or for second year? Because i want a Psyc degree not an arts degree...

Also, is it possible to combine BPsyc with other degrees such as LLB or is that only possible with BA-Psyc

you could transfer anytime, but it is probably better to just do it at the end of 3rd year (i think at one point they will ask what students are interested in this in one of the later lectures). Im actually going to try and see someone about this, as i want to transfer aswell.

In terms of combining the degree. Im not certain, but i have heard somewhere that you cannot concurrently do, say law, in your honours year. Honours year is actually full on and it even recommends on the site that you work no more than 25hours when undertaking the 4th year honours. But you really should see someone about this, because im not 100% certain.

 

[absent]

your so called 'arts' degree is what BPsych students come out with if they don't make the cut for honours!! i'm sick of this 'arts' bullshit, like its a bad thing, oohhh, I don't want an arts degree!!!! like you were told, its pretty much the same bloody thing. only diff is because people expect BPsych to go onto honours year, its made a little easier for them coz all the cor units are set out. BA-Psych students have to use their elective points to do some of the courses.

If you wanted a 'Psych' degree, not an 'arts' degree, perhaps you should have worked harder, and gotten into BPsych, but I'm assuming you didn't, so live with the fact that your doing 'arts'!!! change at the end of your third year like evryone else intends too

 

[Cyan_phoeniX]

your so called 'arts' degree is what BPsych students come out with if they don't make the cut for honours!! i'm sick of this 'arts' bullshit, like its a bad thing, oohhh, I don't want an arts degree!!!! like you were told, its pretty much the same bloody thing. only diff is because people expect BPsych to go onto honours year, its made a little easier for them coz all the cor units are set out. BA-Psych students have to use their elective points to do some of the courses.

If you wanted a 'Psych' degree, not an 'arts' degree, perhaps you should have worked harder, and gotten into BPsych, but I'm assuming you didn't, so live with the fact that your doing 'arts'!!! change at the end of your third year like evryone else intends too

i can see both points of view. Im sick to death of people bagging out arts degrees as well- i think you can learn a lot of practical skills in many arts units. HOWEVER, i dont think lmnopq was bagging it out like that. If your going to do a unit that is prodominantly psych units, then it would seem better to get a psych degree. Although WE know there is very little difference, some employers might not (i know, it says much about their ignorance) and from a social view, if your a practicing psychologist, saying you have a psych degree is perceived as better than an saying you have an arts degree (even if you did the exact same thing). Its unfortunate that we live in such a society, but thats how things are...

 

[clairegirl]

What is the difference between these degrees? BPsyc has a higher UAI.. but I don't understand why. BA-Psyc allows for more flexibility right? Does one take longer than the other (including honours)?? Please help!

B Psychology (Honors) is EXACTLY the same as a B Arts-Psychology(Honors)

The difference between B Psychology(Honors) and B Arts-Psychology (without honors)

is quite a different thing.

B Arts-psyche it only takes 3 years to do, its a great degree to have if you want to get into things like recruitment/councilling and management, however it doesn't fulfill APA guidelines (coz ur not doing honors) as a step to becoming a registered psychologist.

 

[Cyan_phoeniX]

well. it COULD be the same thing.

BPsych REQUIRES certain things, mainly in 3rd year you have done 24 cp of psych subjects for you to be able to get into the 4th year.

Barts-psych only requires 16cp of psych subjects (i.e. you can do more arts subjects)


Interestingly, there is nothing stopping someone from doing 24cp of 3rd year psych units (and following all the Bpsych requirements) and still wanting to do the Bart-psych honours.

So up to the 4th year some people could have followed the exact same thing and still be in either degree, but generally, Bpsych people have done more psych units. As for the actual 4th year. im not sure if the 4th year is the same or not for either degree. (can someone please fill me in on that?). I think it may be the same, but not certain...

 

[xeuyrawp]

In terms of getting a job, would a BPsych(Hons) have any more weight than a BA - Psych(Hons) simply because, on a superficial level, it appears that one is more specialised that the other?

 

[clairegirl]

In terms of getting a job, would a BPsych(Hons) have any more weight than a BA - Psych(Hons) simply because, on a superficial level, it appears that one is more specialised that the other?

Not if you want to become a registered psychologist.. coz then u do 2 years of supervised practice... with either degree. and then u get a big fat certificate from the APA saying your a big fat fellow psychologist.

which shouldn't limit your options.

Saying that.. anyone who does become a registered psychologist.. i very much doubt anyone would want to go work for the type of companys that don't know that u have to go through the same standards and crap to become a reg. psychologist. I know if i was, i wouldn't to work for some ignorant company that thought there was a difference

did that make sense? im tired... blregh

 

[xeuyrawp]

Not if you want to become a registered psychologist.. coz then u do 2 years of supervised practice... with either degree. and then u get a big fat certificate from the APA saying your a big fat fellow psychologist.

which shouldn't limit your options.

Saying that.. anyone who does become a registered psychologist.. i very much doubt anyone would want to go work for the type of companys that don't know that u have to go through the same standards and crap to become a reg. psychologist. I know if i was, i wouldn't to work for some ignorant company that thought there was a difference

did that make sense? im tired... blregh

Hmm, there's the issue that the BPsych forces you to do more psych units -- some employers might know it, some mightn't.

Sorry, I didn't mean to ask the question that I knew the answer to... I think I was trying to bring up the issue of employment -- ie, if you want to do more psych units, why not do the psych degree?

 

[clairegirl]

Hmm, there's the issue that the BPsych forces you to do more psych units -- some employers might know it, some mightn't.

Sorry, I didn't mean to ask the question that I knew the answer to... I think I was trying to bring up the issue of employment -- ie, if you want to do more psych units, why not do the psych degree?

Thats coolio

and well i think even with the registration with the APA, all psychology places would want to have a look at your subjects anyway (what form of psychology you majored in etc)

and as for why not do the psyche degree if u want to do more psyche units... well coz the uai is higher and some pple cant get into it... plus i think also the flexibility factor in an arts-psyche degreer which allows you access to subjects across departments would appeal to a lot of people

For me and a lot of people doing psych (hons) and arts-psyche ... don't really see the difference much, unless your a first year and u think u have bragging rights.. i think most people are aware by their second year (psyche-hons) that u have to go thru the same crap and whether ur doing arts-psyche or the psyche(hons) degree- doesnt' really matter.

Plus you have people like Jamie who are absolutely ripping through uni with an arts-psych degree who has a better GPA than most Psychology(Hons) and even law/art-psyche pple

Whats your GPA buddy like 3.9?
Go jamie!

 

[vach]

Hi i was just wondering if you fulfil APA requirements if you finish your undergrad as a BA-psych without honours then do a masters in psychology then go onto phd. Would that be possible to achieve without honours? Oh and i got a PC(wavered by the big chekaluk) for psy222 would that rule me out for a transfer into honours even if i get the required GPA?

cheers,

-v

 

[clairegirl]

Hi i was just wondering if you fulfil APA requirements if you finish your undergrad as a BA-psych without honours then do a masters in psychology then go onto phd. Would that be possible to achieve without honours? Oh and i got a PC(wavered by the big chekaluk) for psy222 would that rule me out for a transfer into honours even if i get the required GPA?

cheers,

-v

yes i believe its possible, some masters dont require honors however you still need a gpa.. i think its like 2.75?

you can do postgrad

check out monash (in melb) its possible to do it by correspondence and just go there a few times during the year (for pracs, exams etc)