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Hi our teacher has given us revision notes but we have to frind a primary and secondary source to support the information using Pam's book.... and i don't understand

I know what a primary and secondary source is but i dont
know where it is written
eg first statement is Ramesses I- grandfather and first pharaoh of the XIX dynasty
 
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chooky_girl26 said:
Hi our teacher has given us revision notes but we have to frind a primary and secondary source to support the information using Pam's book.... and i don't understand

I know what a primary and secondary source is but i dont
know where it is written
eg first statement is Ramesses I- grandfather and first pharaoh of the XIX dynasty
Howdy.

Just to clarify- for your purposes, a primary source is from the time and place, a secondary is not.

Factual (historicity) things that are uncontested do not need backing up. Nobody really says that Ramses I was not the first pharaoh of 19th D. Therefore, you don't really need to back it up.

That being said, history is subjective etc, but small things that aren't important (1. because who cares about dynasties? and 2. are very verifiable) don't need evidentiary proof.

Hmm, but anyway...

Say your teacher says 'Ramses II buildings- good or not?'. Although generally agreed apon, it's subjective and requires proof to make an assesment. Idealy, you use one piece of primary, one piece of secondary.

In a concise way, I'd say this.

Ramses II buildings, whilst being very impressive and numerous, were not of high quality. Statistically, Ramses' buildings are the most present in all of Egypt; with the Twin Temples of Abu Simbel, The Ramesseum, and a large portion of the Great Temple of Karnak at Luxor being attributed to him. So great has Ramses' building legacy been that PB Shelly's infamous Ozymendias glorifies an unnamed colossos with the base stela telling 'Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'. However, despite the huge program, many scholars comment on the mediocrity of standards, with Bloggs stating that the workmanship of all buildings are 'sub par'. This can explicitly be seen when one compares the quality of Seti I's mortuary temple with its beautiful sunken relief with the raised relief and, at times, plain painted plaster of The Temple for Nefertari.


Ok- there are two issues here- size and quality. I address quality last, because it's good to cut someone down after being nice. =). With each issue, I have one piece of primary evidence and one secondary.

My primary evidence in relation to size is the citation of statistics and the listing of three buildings, with the secondary quotation talking about Shelly's poem.

My primary evidence in relation to quality is the explicit reference to raised and sunken reliefs, with the secondary being Bloggs quotation.

I could do this in point form:

RAMSES' BUILDING:
SIZE AND PRESENCE:
- Cite 3 locations, mention Ramses has a lot of buildings. (Primary).
- Talk about Shelly's poem. (Secondary).

QUALITY:
- Talk about sunken/vs raised relief. (Primary).
- Bloggs quotation. (Secondary).

So, for the dot point 'Ramses and Building', you've learnt only 1 quotation (don't worry about learning Shelly, but I'd talk about it) and three facts, and you have a very tight essay.
 

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ok that didn't really answer my question but thanks for trying xoxox
 
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ok that didn't really answer my question but thanks for trying xoxox
WTF. Learn to be articulate.

Don't fucking waste my time by posting a half-assed question and then saying I didn't respond to it.

Your teacher wants you to collect primary and secondary evidence from dot points she gives you?

Can you please clarify?
 

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I clarified the first time.. it has to be from pam's book recontructing th past it says copy the notes into the book. Leave gap of 2-3 lines . ZFill in the gap finding an example of a primary and secondary source to support this information.
No 1 is Ramesses I- grandfather and first pharaoh of the XIX dynasy... and u sorta helped but i just gotta know in more clarity or example in comparision to the book
 
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I clarified the first time.. it has to be from pam's book recontructing th past it says copy the notes into the book. Leave gap of 2-3 lines . ZFill in the gap finding an example of a primary and secondary source to support this information.
No 1 is Ramesses I- grandfather and first pharaoh of the XIX dynasy... and u sorta helped but i just gotta know in more clarity or example in comparision to the book
Ok, but pam sucks.

You realise in the exam, you need real evidence, not (just) pam?

I have no time at the moment, but I'll get to your PM tomorrowish and add you to msn then. :)
 

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WTF. Learn to be articulate.

Don't fucking waste my time by posting a half-assed question and then saying I didn't respond to it.

Your teacher wants you to collect primary and secondary evidence from dot points she gives you?

Can you please clarify?
articulate this :)
 

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I would say that inf'n about family would probably be on most primarty sources (pharaohs like to emphasise their family tree) try Stele, Abu Simbel etc...

If ur talking about Pamela Bradley, Primary sources should b in the back of the book under each chapter hope that helps
 

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I was trying to find out what the teacher is looking for.... i got it now... but thanks everyone for ur help
xoxoxoxo
 

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