how are internal marks in the hsc calculated? (1 Viewer)

[Study to success]

soo im really confused on this. ik ur externals is ur mark

1. some people are saying that it's only ur internal ranks that count. so if ur rank 2 ur internal mark is the 2nd highest mark external mark
2. ur internal marks that u get in ur internal assessments count and then they are just moderated


so basically do my internal marks itself in my internal assessments count or not. Or is it just ranks and not the mark itself?

 

[Study to success]

also guys people are now saying that ur external mark is based on urs and the person who got ur rank in the hsc and then they average it out. I thought externals is just ur own mark @jimmysmith560

 

[WeiWeiMan]

soo im really confused on this. ik ur externals is ur mark

1. some people are saying that it's only ur internal ranks that count. so if ur rank 2 ur internal mark is the 2nd highest mark external mark
2. ur internal marks that u get in ur internal assessments count and then they are just moderated


so basically do my internal marks itself in my internal assessments count or not. Or is it just ranks and not the mark itself?

kinda a mix of 1 and 2

read ts: https://www.nsw.gov.au/education-and-training/nesa/hsc/exams-and-marking/assessment-moderation

also guys people are now saying that ur external mark is based on urs and the person who got ur rank in the hsc and then they average it out. I thought externals is just ur own mark @jimmysmith560

externals are just yours

person who got your rank in the HSC is an oversimplification of the moderation process, specifically for internals

the avg of your internal and external is ur HSC mark

 

[Urdadtoo]

To expand on WeiWeiMan's comments.

The process is more nuanced than just straight ranks because, while the actual internal exam marks have no bearing on the HSC mark, the gap between the ranks also show how well people went internally. There could be a group at the top within a few marks, then a massive gap to the next group, etc. or a myriad of other patterns.

NESA tries to adjust the marks according to these gaps, and while it is not perfect because they don't plot every mark, it is better than a straight external mark to rank. The top and bottom mark are the two known boundaries and everyone else fits in between.

What I like about it, is that even if someone has an outlying result, it doesn't skew the graph. Unless they are the top or bottom mark - then you're chuffed or stuffed.

The reason they don't use the internal marks is that the exams could be really easy at one school and really hard at another. The only thing they have to compare the two is the actual HSC exam.

 

[coolcat6778]

imo they should just get rid of the final hsc exam and just make us do some sort of aptitude test like the ACT

In the ACT, there's no external examination besides the ACT Scaling Test, which is a multiple choice exam of general ability, reading, writing and math. The subjects in individual schools are then scaled based on the Scaling Test before one's ATAR is calculated

Here's an ACT Scaling Test

https://www.bsss.act.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/511066/ACT_Scaling_Test_Sample_Questions_2013.pdf

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I really like this system as it parallel's America's system in a way, where only one standardised exam is required to be taken (SAT or ACT (not to be confused with Australian Capital Territory)), with all the other exams and assessments being conducted by individual schools.

 

[coolcat6778]

What's so funny mr wei wei?

 

[imnotrj]

soo im really confused on this. ik ur externals is ur mark

1. some people are saying that it's only ur internal ranks that count. so if ur rank 2 ur internal mark is the 2nd highest mark external mark
2. ur internal marks that u get in ur internal assessments count and then they are just moderated

so basically do my internal marks itself in my internal assessments count or not. Or is it just ranks and not the mark itself?

from what ik and have been told by teachers, moderation is really complicated ofc but in short
your internal marks count as well as your rank, when NESA moderates the marks at your school, you're at a higher advantage than most if you're at a higher rank

and you don't steal anyone's mark, you keep your mark, it just gets moderated by NESA bc some schools have more difficult exams than other schools

eg, if you're ranked 3 in a subject and the averages are consistently in the 70s, and in the external marks the top 10 let's say get a b6, then the entire cohort gets pulled up and people at ranks 1-10 for this eg will have more benefit than other people

 

[Study to success]

from what ik and have been told by teachers, moderation is really complicated ofc but in short
your internal marks count as well as your rank, when NESA moderates the marks at your school, you're at a higher advantage than most if you're at a higher rank

and you don't steal anyone's mark, you keep your mark, it just gets moderated by NESA bc some schools have more difficult exams than other schools

eg, if you're ranked 3 in a subject and the averages are consistently in the 70s, and in the external marks the top 10 let's say get a b6, then the entire cohort gets pulled up and people at ranks 1-10 for this eg will have more benefit than other people

no but the internal marks don't count tho. It's ur rank and teh distance:

How HSC Ranks Work: A simple guide for students | Atomi

www.getatomi.com

 

[imnotrj]

no but the internal marks don't count tho. It's ur rank and teh distance:

How HSC Ranks Work: A simple guide for students | Atomi

www.getatomi.com

i thought that the external and internal moderated marks would get averaged and that's your final mark for the course?

 

[Study to success]

i thought that the external and internal moderated marks would get averaged and that's your final mark for the course?

Yeah that’s what happened after all the moderation, alignment and everything at the end

 

[Flatuitous]

i thought that the external and internal moderated marks would get averaged and that's your final mark for the course?

no ur internal marks don't matter
if ur r1 but ur internal final mark was 60%, ur doing great
if ur 90% internal final mark but ur r30, ur not doing too good
literally just rank matters