Howard vs. Oakes On Sunday (1 Viewer)

[Skillo]

Interesting interview. Did anyone else get the opportunity to see it? In comparison to the Latham one last week, I think Mark comes off a little better. Howard answered well, but avoided answering a few of the questions.
http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/political_transcripts/article_1656.asp

Makes interesting Sunday reading if you missed it.


Oh and Laurie Oakes is now on my list of political heros! :uhhuh:

 

[Skillo]

TOTALLY! For the beginning, I was actually giggling at some of his answers...but when we got there...I was like wide open mouth staring at my 31cm Sony TV.

JOHN HOWARD: Laurie, I would rather give my preferences to a party like that than I would to the Greens, who are in favour of abolishing the private health insurance rebate, or in favour of massive tax increases. Have a very permissive attitude towards drug use. Are - are inherently hostile to the American alliance.

Oh Johnny Boy. We wouldn't want that now would we? No Americans! What would he do with himself?

 

[Rorix]

I don't know that Bob Brown's inherently hostile to the American alliance, I think he's just an attention whore.

And the best way to get your face on the nighttime news is to insult America.

 

[Ziff]

bob brown was on meet the press ...i thought he did well considering the interviewers...

But he's a fluffypot?

 

[jameseginton]

You got to ask the question who else should the Liberal party give preferences to if the Democrats and the Greens are both left wing parties? I mean it makes sense with the conservative views of the family first party. I didnt see the interview so im not sure exactly why this was even brought up. Bob Brown appears to be an avid communist but nobody brings that up.

 

[ohne]

Deary me thats one of the funniest things ive heard!

Thats like accusing Howard of being a Fascist (then again some are of the opinion that he is...there is a decent argument that howard is a very moderate fascist)



* exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual,
* uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition,
* engages in severe economic and social regimentation, and
* espouses nationalism and sometimes racism (ethnic nationalism).


the criteria of a fascist...interestingly howard comes close to a couple of the above...scary

so if you want to call Bob brown a communist i think i justified in calling howard a fascist

I don't think Howard can really be criticised for doing a deal with family first, I don't think they are really any more extreme than the greens are who Latham did a deal with. The democrats also did a deal with family first. Family First's senate candidate is an aboriginal and it would be good to see an aboriginal back in parliament given the deal done by the ALP and Greens in NSW to get rid of Aden Ridgeway.

The Liberal party is socially diverse and its candidates reflect this. Oates did make a good point though about liberal candidate Dr Ingrid Tall not receiving preferences in the seat of Brisbane from family first because she is a lesbian.

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2004/guide/bris.htm

 

[jameseginton]

Im sure if you were to ask Bob Brown if he was a right wing capitalist he would be more inclined to say he was a communist. Would you prefer if i called him a socialist then?

 

[jameseginton]

The Liberal party is socially diverse and its candidates reflect this. Oates did make a good point though about liberal candidate Dr Ingrid Tall not receiving preferences in the seat of Brisbane from family first because she is a lesbian.


That maybe true but it is no fault of the coalition, that party can distribute preferences on any grounds. If they are to get votes than somebody believes in their ideals and therefore would be likely to support the preference deals

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

Im sure if you were to ask Bob Brown if he was a right wing capitalist he would be more inclined to say he was a communist. Would you prefer if i called him a socialist then?

id prefer it.. cos its more accurate...

personally i think that.. ultra conservatives or for that matter socialist is a bad thing..
because both parties will jump thru hoops to satisfy a minority..

i dun lik abortions and stem cells but to think that we do not hav a balanced discussion because of a minority opinion even tho there are pros associated... preferences are lik a popularity contest..
and i dun lik any of the radical parties.. because few respect others opinions and are reckless..

im a christian and i agree with some of wat family first thinks.. but to force opinions on others who are muslim buddist etc is wrong
it would be lik if a non-christian religious party imposing their values\views on me.. we live in a democracy and thats allows for a balanced view..

 

[jameseginton]

Im still trying to understand the idea behind preferences. I think they should be optional. I mean really, most people only want to vote for the party they put first and do not like the parties but are foreced to place a preference in order for their vote to be valid. What it also means is that you get minority parties deciding the government and not the people

 

[MoonlightSonata]

"JOHN HOWARD: [Mr Latham] acknowledged... that he actually went to Tasmania and saw Bob Brown talk about the trees. As if Bob Brown is the gatekeeper of the environment movement in Australia. I don't need an invitation from Bob Brown to visit any part of Australia.

ahahaha

I wish I could have heard him say that

 

[ohne]

i saw the interview this morning...the most distuebing part about religion...and in the particular the tone he had when he answered it

I love Sunday's. Got up today to watch "meet the press" but that clashed with the Howard and Latham interviews on channel 7 and 9. Then I watch "the insiders" on ABC and then "Sunday" has some good election coverage. Then I check the net and morning papers for any polls and check the odds of who will win every seat on centrebet.

I am turning into a political junkie

 

[Skillo]

ahahaha

I wish I could have heard him say that

Imagine a squat little man poking out from a fat neck, attempting to make an assertive comment.

MWAH HA HA HA HA HA.

I am turning into a political junkie

Ah that happened when I was a youngen'. I'm having an Election Party, we sit around and get pissed while watching the Tally...

Nerdy? Hmmm...too close to call

 

[neo o]

I like this one

I mean, the Labor Party, incidentally - I see this morning Mr Latham's dodging that. I mean, it's interesting that in July of this year at a press conference Mr Latham said we're not proposing to increase tax. We're not proposing any new taxes. And yet when he announced his tax and family benefits policy, he announced 11 tax increases of different kinds - a payroll tax, a superannuation guarantee surcharge, increases in the - in tax for single income families over a certain level

hes hardly a socialist...

right wingers calling anyone that disagrees with them a communist or a socialist is a little bit to reactionary

And i can troll up any number of quotes from leftists that have called me a fascist, when that's nearly the polar opposite of what I am.

 

[Ziff]

I like this one





And i can troll up any number of quotes from leftists that have called me a fascist, when that's nearly the polar opposite of what I am.

Communist.

 

[neo o]

Communist.

nearly is a subjective word.

Besides, I think Liberalism (but more so its extreme form, anarchism) could easily be described as being the near opposite of facism.