nsw vs sydney med science? (2 Viewers)

[spazmaz]

does anyone know if there are any advantages to doing medical science at sydney or at unsw? from what i've heard, people reckon that sydney is more 'theoretical' than unsw and that unsw has more ties to industry. but sydney has more major areas of study available. i'm trying to work out which uni is better to go to.
anyone have any thoughts?

 

[SipSip]

You must have a GREAT WARM HEART to want to do medicine....if you really want money...do commerce/law or something

But i respect you, if it weren't for people who are willing to study for the rest of their life....we won't have people to save us...

Btw back to topic...isn't it harder to get into medicine for USYD?? although true how syd is more theory...a lot of unsw stuff are really practical...so depends what you excel in huh...

 

[santaslayer]

Usyd Med is on the graduate level whilst UNSW is undergrad....
Both are equally hard to get into and there isn't really a difference in reputation etc...when you have a near 100% employment rate....

 

[Survivor39]

I think Spazma is referring to Bachelor of Medical Science NOT medicine....

Anyway, to answer your question, UNSW med science has more freedom (electives), whereas med sc in Syd is very structured, no electives at all in the first year.

All the areas of specialisations (majors) are similar at the undergraduate level, so I don't think it would make much difference. For example, medical microbiology and microbiology is no difference at all at undergraduate level. Having said that, when you get into Master or PhD it will matter.

 

[Glaciana]

I did Medical Science at Sydney University in my 1st year of uni, but transferred to UNSW this year to do B Science/Arts. I prefer UNSW much better to USYD though.

 

[inasero]

You must have a GREAT WARM HEART to want to do medicine....if you really want money...do commerce/law or something

first...s/he wanted to do MEDICAL SCIENCE. Secondly...why are you getting so defensive, even if she did want to do medicine? You confuse me...

 

[Lexicographer]

Hey, don't forget that UTS has an excellent department of cell and molecular biology (the department under which Medical Science falls). I think it's even better for us in that we're getting a brand spanking new building for medical and biological sciences with lots of labs and junk for dissecting small fluffly animals and other fun.

The argument against USyd as being too heavily into theory seem to be valid across the board, with members of every faculty (both staff and students) making such complaints. However, this could be an advantage depending on what you want to do with yourself after doing the Bachelor of GAMSAT I mean MedSc. If you're going to do what every other MedSc graduate in the country does and apply for graduate medicine, the strong theory in the USyd degree serves as excellent scientific background to the mostly PBL graduate medicine courses (it fits beautifully with Sydney in particular). If, however, you plan on entering industry then UNSW and UTS seem far better contenders. UNSW has a better reputation for research due to its larger and better funded facilities (think huge international student fees), whilst UTS is better known for the all-round ability of their graduates (lab experience etc). Both are still excellent preparation for graduate medicine applications.

 

[Survivor39]

How is B MedSc B GAMSAT? Are you in it?? Just because a SMALL proportion of people in Med sc wanted to get into med (so are some in other science degree), it does not justify your stereotypical statement.

If B MedSc is B GAMSAT, then so is B Sc and B Sc (advanced) since they are almost exactly the same, so is with most science courses for that matter.

 

[shannonm]

dont worry Survivor, lexico is just bitter he missed out on unsw

high fives my unsw buddy

 

[Glaciana]

I also just missed out on a place at UNSW for med. So I did Med Science at USYD, but I hated it so I transferred. Im glad I did, med isent the thing for me.

 

[inasero]

dont worry Survivor, lexico is just bitter he missed out on unsw

high fives my unsw buddy

lol sealed with a kiss

 

[Lexicographer]

a) No, I'm not in MedSc, I just share a lot of subjects with people who are (I shuffled my nano course structure to get some molecular biology into first year instread of straight physical sciences).

b) No, I'm not bitter about not going to UNSW because I don't want to study MedSc, let alone at a uni that is neither convenient nor cost effective to get to.

c) Small proportion? Don't kid yourself. You know as well as I do that 90% of your peers will throughout the course of their degree apply for Medicine, either as an undergraduate applicant or through the GAMSAT. If you don't believe me, ask your Faculty of Medicine how many NRSL applicants they get from BMedSc degrees. Please also note that I didn't actually coin the expression "Bachelor of GAMSAT" - it was actually one of the academics I know at uni who has been closely involved with a number of the MedSc courses. Do you think Medical Science would appeal to so many people if they DIDN'T think it would give them a better shot at Medicine?

 

[Survivor39]

pffft...what do you know about people in unsw medsc since you are not even in it....90% wanting to getinto med is just bs....considering i know so many people in medsc and some wants to get into pharmacy, optometry.....
And yes, some people actually think getting into B med sc would give them a better chance of getting into med sc, but most people knew that it's the marks that counts.

 

[Lexicographer]

Pfft, "just BS" your lecturers then, because it was at a UNSW info session that the 90% figure was quoted.

I think your argument that because the people you know aren't interested in medicine my quoted figure must be wrong is totally ridiculous. Surely as a scientist you realise that the amount of people you know is a horribly miniscule and statistically irrelevant sample compared to the total candidature of the course, let alone the fact that it fails to address my qualifier "throughout the course of their degree". Can you honestly claim that you know more than half the people in every stage of the BMedSc course at UNSW?

I'm not rubbishing UNSW or their Medical Science course. Both are pretty damn good (as I've acknowledged previously). But I stand by my point that the course has a candidature more interested in moving to another career field (id est Medicine) during or after completing their course rather than staying in Medical Science.

Yes it's obvious the marks (rather than the field) count most, and people clever enough to get into MedSc would hopefully have realised this. But the persistent idea that studying Medical Science helps candidates through the GAMSAT simply could NOT have remained so long without some basis in fact, as can be demonstrated by a quick glance at your subject plan.

 

[Glaciana]

I agree with Lexicographer.

 

[saves.the.day]

I agree with Lexicographer also.
The major population of med sci students are looking to apply to a grad med posn.

Survivor your "i know so many people in medsc and some wants to get into pharmacy, optometry" is terrible support for your argument. Coming from a degree in science, surely you can see how silly a reason that is to use? I am not even going to explain why because it should be so very clear to you.

 

[lukebennett]

pretty much everyone i know who is applying is wanting to get into medicine. some others i know want ot do research but few compared to grad med.

 

[Survivor39]

I agree with Lexicographer also.
The major population of med sci students are looking to apply to a grad med posn.

Survivor your "i know so many people in medsc and some wants to get into pharmacy, optometry" is terrible support for your argument. Coming from a degree in science, surely you can see how silly a reason that is to use? I am not even going to explain why because it should be so very clear to you.

I was just trying to emphasise the fact that not "everyone" in medsc wants to get into medicine. If that sounded bad, then so be it.

 

[Lexicographer]

Hehe, yeah I know, but saying that only a "small" proportion of BMedSc students are looking to Medicine wasn't the way to go.

You're right though, there are plenty of people who won't go the way of the Doctor (and by choice at that).

 

[mr EaZy]

Hey, don't forget that UTS has an excellent department of cell and molecular biology (the department under which Medical Science falls)..

how much are they paying u to go on and on about how good UTS is?
its not enough!