people with 99+ atars, if you failed the first assessment block in y12, what is your comeback plan? (1 Viewer)

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pretty much the title. assume all your exams were worth 20% and your ranks are either average or quite below average within your cohort.

i'm curious to know because many people with 99+ atars have such high hsc marks it feels like they've barely made any mistakes at all during year 12 so i wonder if in this hypothetical situation you could make a comeback to come as close to your original atar as possible.
 

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I received a 99.5 ATAR, so I suppose this is my two cents on this situation.

First of all, realistically speaking, unless you go to a highly ranked selective school, getting average or below average for Task 1 in all of your subjects drastically reduces your chances at getting a 99+ ATAR. I know there are a lot of "success" stories of people failing their Task 1's and then somehow getting a 99.95, but this is probably because they go to a top-ranked school where the school average is a lot above the state's average, or they somehow get the motivation and discipline to work hard and rank in the top 5 for the rest of their assessments.

Personally, I think that the second option is really hard to achieve, especially taking into account the "mental obstacle" that you also have to overcome from not performing as expected in your first task. Again, if I'm being honest, the 99+ achievers in my school at least stayed relatively consistent throughout most of their assessment tasks (decent margin above average), and then absolutely popped off (ranked top 5) for one or two tasks.

I'm aware that this advice may seem really pessimistic or whatever, but I think it's good for you to know. I know a lot of my friends who also failed their first assessment tasks, and were told online in forums like these that they didn't have to worry and could still achieve the mark that they wanted, and this provided them with false hope and a false sense of security. They ended up not feeling as much urgency and pressure to try their best at redeeming themselves, and were disappointed when their ATARs came out at the end. They also starting gunning for courses with ATAR requirements that were "out of their league."

That being said, if there is a course you want, I suppose you should still try to maximise your efforts (definitely better than laying around being depressed). Try to focus on your own mistakes and how you can improve, rather than comparing yourself with others (the grass is always greener blah blah blah). Also, if you are trying to get a 99+ ATAR just for the sake of it (flexing reasons idk) or for validation (parents, proving worth to friends, boasting on BOS), I recommend you stop studying for a while and just do some self reflection.

I've mentioned this in a previous post, but trying to get a high ATAR for the score itself rather than a course is honestly idiotic, put bluntly. Nobody (other than obsessed parents) will care about your ATAR a week after it is released. I know that in this forum, there is a "culture" that 99+ puts you on a pedestal above others, but let's be real - irl, nobody gives a flying f***!!!

P.S. I've never really understood this concept of "choking" on the day of the exam. I know that anxiety issues and panic attacks exist (personally I have been also diagnosed with an anxiety-related disorder), but a lot of people seem to think that "choking" is out of their control when REALLY, it's just a lame excuse for bad practice. When you ARE practising, make sure to simulate these anxiety-inducing conditions. Also, know your content so well that when you are performing, it is by instinct rather than actually thinking. You won't miraculously have a Eureka! moment (at least theres a low probability of doing so) during the exam, so what you're writing should really be a lot of instinct. So yeah, to prevent "choking" just know your content and practise in the right conditions.

TLDR: Failing your first assessment block means you probably won't get a 99+ ATAR (it IS the top 1% of the state to be fair) but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Just make sure to try for the right reason.
 

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my school was top 40 at the time I think and is non selective. it’s kinda hard to ace every single assessment task for every subject unless ur just that good, like personally I lacked for some tasks and it brought my rank e.g. in yr12 business studies from 1st to 8th and even tho I smashed every subsequent task and trials I couldn’t go higher than 6th overall (70-person cohort? for reference). in SOR1 my bludge subject my class was small like 8ppl but I also wasn’t doing the best and ranked like 5th overall. I got top 3 in my other subjects tho and my other ranks weren’t the worst so it worked out for my atar I guess. I prob could’ve done at least 0.5 or smth better if a few assessment tasks didn’t bring me down

“barely any mistakes” all of year 12 is too high of a bar

also the actual HSC is 50% of your mark so it’s good to do well in those
 

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Unless you're at a decent school, you really need to be securing rank 1s. I was first in every task (school was rank 500+) barring like 3 where I was second, and each one of those really scares you. I ended up being rank 2 overall for Chemistry because in one task I made one silly and got full marks in the other 3 tasks... my friend did the same but didn't make that silly. He got 78 on his Chem HSC and I got 93. The only reason my ATAR wasn't in the dumps was because I was considered as an outlier and thus received 93 as my internal mark as well.
 

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thanks @totallyscrewed for the info! yeah i do agree making barely any mistakes is pretty rare in year 12 but honestly a lot of people that do well tend to be consistently high achieving. i'm assuming these guys haven't any huge setbacks like fully failing an entire set of exams.

my like overall question is even after a huge setback like that is it even possible to comeback and under what cirucmstances? surely even in a top school that's gotta knock you back pretty severely.
 

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thanks @totallyscrewed for the info! yeah i do agree making barely any mistakes is pretty rare in year 12 but honestly a lot of people that do well tend to be consistently high achieving. i'm assuming these guys haven't any huge setbacks like fully failing an entire set of exams.

my like overall question is even after a huge setback like that is it even possible to comeback and under what cirucmstances? surely even in a top school that's gotta knock you back pretty severely.
yeah, not a good position to be in.
 

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Unless you're at a decent school, you really need to be securing rank 1s. I was first in every task (school was rank 500+) barring like 3 where I was second, and each one of those really scares you. I ended up being rank 2 overall for Chemistry because in one task I made one silly and got full marks in the other 3 tasks... my friend did the same but didn't make that silly. He got 78 on his Chem HSC and I got 93. The only reason my ATAR wasn't in the dumps was because I was considered as an outlier and thus received 93 as my internal mark as well.
do you say that rank 1 is a general guide or is it more so based on how many band 6s the school makes? bc i'm thinking about schools that are like in that in between where the school isn't ranked 500+ but isn't top 100 either. honestly i think 99+ atars are rare even for 100 rank schools tho so you may be pretty spot on

also being considered an outlier is actually crazy, that's a huge discrepancy. thanks for your response tho
 

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Depends on how well you do in other assessment tasks, had a friend fail 2 english assessments but was really good at 3u and 4u where he was close to state ranking and ended up with a 99+
 

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do you say that rank 1 is a general guide or is it more so based on how many band 6s the school makes? bc i'm thinking about schools that are like in that in between where the school isn't ranked 500+ but isn't top 100 either. honestly i think 99+ atars are rare even for 100 rank schools tho so you may be pretty spot on

also being considered an outlier is actually crazy, that's a huge discrepancy. thanks for your response tho
I mean obviously if you go to James Ruse or North Sydney Boys you can be rank 80 and still get a 99, but for anything worse than rank 100
 

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