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shady145

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find the second derivative
x/(x+1)
i got x(x+1)^-1
y'=-x(x+1)^-2
y''=2x(x+1)^-3
y''=2x/(x+1)^3
but the answer is -2x/(x+1)^3

Now is this the right method coz i initially thought that i had to use the product rule doing my second derivative because there was an x term out the front.

Can some1 please tell me the right way
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Quotient rule.
y'=[(x+1)-x]/(x+1)2
y'=1/(x+1)2
y'=(x+1)-2
Chain rule.
y''=-2(x+1)-3
y''=-2/(x+1)3

shady145 said:
but the answer is -2x/(x+1)^3
Fuck. Can someone point out my mistake?
 
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The product rule...

u=x v=(x+1)^-1
u'=1 v'=-(x+1)^-2

y'=(x+1)^-1*(1) + (x)*-(x+1)^-2
y'=(x+1)^-1 -x(x+1)^-2

taking -x(x+1)^-2
u=-x v=(x+1)^-2
u'=-1 v'=-2(x+1)^-3

y''=-(x+1)^-2 +2x(x+1)^-3 -(x+1)^-2
y''=(-1/(x+1)^-2) +(2x/(x+1)^-3)-(1/(x+1)^-2)
y''=-2/(x+1)^-2 + 2x/(x+1)^-3
 

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haha dont worry i know i did the product rule wrong
 

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kaz1 said:
Quotient rule.
y'=[(x+1)-x]/(x+1)2
y'=1/(x+1)2
y'=(x+1)-2
Chain rule.
y''=-2(x+1)-3
y''=-2/(x+1)3



Fuck. Can someone point out my mistake?
No mistake, you're right.
 

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You can actually avoid the quotient/product rule (which is very prone to silly mistakes) if you note that:
x/(x + 1) = (x + 1 - 1)/(x + 1) = 1 - 1/(x + 1)
which becomes a simpler form to differentiate without any product or quotient rule...lol
 

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Trebla said:
You can actually avoid the quotient/product rule (which is very prone to silly mistakes) if you note that:
x/(x + 1) = (x + 1 - 1)/(x + 1) = 1 - 1/(x + 1)
which becomes a simpler form to differentiate without any product or quotient rule...lol
Genius.
 

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