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Things they do not teach you at school in your history classes.. (1 Viewer)

Dingo2004

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Was captain cook the first foreigner to discover Australia???
hmmm seems like they need to rewrite history...

Captain Cook was not the first foreigner to discover Australia. Infact the Chinese have visited Australia long before Cook and also on a much larger scale fleet of hundreds of ships. The only difference is that the chinese did not colonise australia where as the british did. Chinese were more interested in trade rather than colonisation at the time.

Aboriginal paintings depict Chinese junks...Ancient Chinese writings describing apparent Kangaroo's. These facts are just part of the evidence suggesting "accepted" theories on the discovery of Australia could well be wide of the mark.

The Javanese, with whom the Chinese traded, had an extensive knowledge of our waters, and could have been instrumental in directing Chinese explorers to our shores. Like the earlier civilisations of the near and middle-east, the Chinese certainly possessed often enormous wooden ships and navigation aids to enable them to undertake world wide voyages in antiquity. For example, some of their huge junks were capable of carrying over 1000 people each. One type of huge junk measured at least 140 metres from bow to stern and more than 30 metres across the beam.

Between the fifth and eighth centuries the Chinese invented paddle-wheel operated vessels operated by slaves working treadmills inside the ships. By the 12th Century, they were building huge war ships with up to 23 paddle-wheels on each ship. A 15 metre rudder of one of these massive ships has in recent years been unearthed on the coast of China. It is now preserved in a Peking museum.

According to ancient writings, preserved in China, a Buddhist monk, Fu Shai in 458 A.D. may have landed in southern California after an 11,000 km voyage in one of these enormous ocean-going boats. Another Chinese explorer, Shu Shan Gee is credited with having visited the same coastline about 1000 years before Columbus "re-discovered" America. However, unlike the later European explorers, the Chinese were less interested in establishing permanent colonies in far-flung places than in establishing temporary colonies solely for the purpose of trade, or for mining of precious minerals and stones they shipped home to China.

It was Franciscan missionaries who went to China in the 16th century who were the first Europeans to obtain evidence pointing to Chinese contacts with Australia. This evidence included copper scrolls written by the Chinese in the 6th Century A.D., including a crude map of Australia. These scrolls are still being translated. They tell of such things as voyages across the Pacific Ocean in the 10th and 11th centuries in gigantic fleets of junks-60 to 100 ships carrying up to 200 or more crewmen each.

It is obvious the Chinese possessed considerable knowledge of Australia, as evidenced by their ancient writings. For example, Confucius in his "Spring and Autumn Annals" {481 B.C.} records two solar eclipses having been observed by Chinese astronomers, possibly in Arnhem Land-one {by modern calculation}on April 17, 592 B.C.; and the other on August 11, 553 B.C.

Another record, "Atlas of Foreign Countries", written between 265 and 316 A.D., describes the far north coast of the mysterious great south land as being inhabited by a race of one-metre tall pygmies-an obvious reference to the pygmy-sized Aboriginals identified by Australian anthropologist Norman B. Tindale in the mountains above Cairns, Queensland.

In 338 B.C., Shih Tzu wrote of the presence of apparent kangaroos kept in the Imperial Zoo in Peking, and further similar reports continued in several later dynasties. Emperor Chao about this time dispatched a fleet of junks with orders to return with marsupials from the southern land of "Chui Hiao", and a Chinese book "The Classics of Shan Hai", written some time before 338 B.C., describes our Aboriginals and thier use of the boomerang.

The Chinese appear to have been wary when having to navigate through Torres Strait. Many ancient Chinese expeditions through the Strait came to grief due to the dreaded Torres Strait Islanders who, until early in the 1900's, were head-hunting cannibals. In fact, the islanders regarded Chinese as being just about No1 for flavour, as they found them nowhere as salty as white men.

Ancient relics are further proof of Chinese visits to our shores. In 1948 fragments of Ming period {14th Century} blue and white porcelin were dug up on Winchelsea Island, north west of Groote Eylandt; and a large copper urn of this age was unearthed in Arnhem Land some years ago. Aboriginal cave paintings of the Arnhem Land and the Kimberleys region include depictions of Chinese junks dating back hundreds of years.

The remains of an ancient vessel, found off the coast of Perth some years ago by the late skin diver Allan Robinson, is said to have revealed relics suggesting the wreck to be that of a 12 th Century Chinese Junk. At another site on the coast of the Gulf of Carpentaria near the base of Cape York, Queensland, a number of Chinese porcelin tea cups dating 2000 years were dug up several years ago.

In 1961 a 2000-year old vase bearing a crude map of the Australian east coast was discovered in Hong Kong. Another map, dating back 2000 years and drawn on porcelin, exists in Taiwan. it shows the southern coastline of New Guinea, the east coast of Australia as far south as the Melbourne area, and the crude outline of Tasmania. Another Porcelin map has since been found in China. Dating to 1477, it not only describes much of the American west coast, but some Pacific Islands, including New Zealand, Australia and New Guinea, and the islands of south-east Asia and the coast of China.

In the late 1940's a discovery proving ancient Chinese voyages into the west Pacific region was made by a team of anthropologists while researching in the Yasawa Islands to the west of Fiji. The men found an ancient copper mine cut into a hillside. Littering surrounding rocks they found numerous centuries-old letterings. Natives on the island were later found to possess Asian racial features. They say the island was visited by a race of "yellow men" long before the coming of the Europeans.

Thirty-five years ago a jade Buddha was unearthed near Cooktown in far north-Queensland, deep below ancient soil deposits. And at Darwin in 1879 workmen dug up a statue of Shou Lao, the Chinese god of longevity, from deep down beneath the roots of an ancient banyan tree. Dating from the Ming period, it has been linked with an expedition believed to have been made to our shores by Admiral Cheng Ho on the orders of his emperor. The fleet consisted of 62 nine-masted ships, 140 metres in length, and it was accompanied by 28,000 men.

Cheng Ho {1385-1440} also possessed the magnetic compass on this voyage. Invented by the Chinese in 1090, it was not "discovered" in western Europe for another 100 years. Cheng Ho sailed from Shanghai in 1405 with orders to visit the islands of south-east Asia on diplomatic and trade matters. He was also instructed to establish a colony in the vicinity of present-day Darwin while astronomers accompanying the expedition carried out observations of the southern skies. He was also asked to make offerings here to to the Celestial Spouse, a Taoist goddess who watched over mariners at sea.

During Cheng Ho's stay near Darwin some of his men are said to have explored deep inland, and part of his fleet is claimed to have carried out the circumnavigation of Australia before returning to China. About 1980 a young woman unearthed a carved stone head from a sand hill while walking on a beach north of Milton on the New South Wales south coast. The head, now resting in my Kedumba Nature Museum, Katoomba {NSW}, is of a Chinese goddess, possibly the "Celestial Spouse" herself.

Could the carving have been left behind by Chinese mariners centuries ago, perhaps as an offering to the goddess for a safe voyage home? Could they have been members of Cheng Ho's fleet? The Answer is lost in the mists of time. One thing is certain. If, as we have been taught in our school history books that Australia was only discovered by European mariners in the 126th century...what were kangaroos doing in the Imperial Zoo in Peking in 338 B.C?

http://www.internetezy.com.au/~mj129/chinesediscoverers.html
 

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bah. I dont care. Australian history was done with by the end of yr 10 anyway :p
 

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actually aborigines traded with muslims or some of the islander people up near northern parts of australia way before any of this....so these people were visiting australia way before that
 

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wasnt it the duth or something and they discovered the west coast. alot of ppl came to australia b4 captain cook!!! he just discovered the eastern coast and named the country! but i think the dutch were the first people and this was proved because they left a dish on the west coast..
 

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Originally posted by Dingo2004
the admiral of the fleet to australia was muslim...
of the First Fleet???
Not saying you are wrong or anything like that but would you care to back this with proof? (am speaking as a history teacher)
BTW have you seen the rest of the site?...its pretty out there even for Katoomba (am saying this as a local!!)
 
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Originally posted by snapperhead
of the First Fleet???
Not saying you are wrong or anything like that but would you care to back this with proof? (am speaking as a history teacher)
At the maritime meseum there is a globe pre-dating Cook which has the West Australian coast line on it, of course if you find the West Australian coastline it wouldnt really look that great for starting a colony on.

Oh and just for some fun what rank was Cook?
 

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Lieutenant Cook! Captain only to those upon his ship, to whom of course he was captain.

And regarding the whole Chinese thing... history is written by the winners, in this case those who actually colonised Australia

P.S I Hate Australian History.
 

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Originally posted by Xayma
At the maritime meseum there is a globe pre-dating Cook which has the West Australian coast line on it, of course if you find the West Australian coastline it wouldnt really look that great for starting a colony on.

Oh and just for some fun what rank was Cook?
Im not questioning that Australia was known about prior to Cooks exploration (no historian/history teacher would be stupid enough to do that+ it is taught in schools that Cook set out to explore and claim in the Kings name "New Holland" as Australia was known back then).
My querry was to the statement that the admiral -a high ranking member of the British navy and -at the time- responsible only to the "Church of England based/influenced" monarchy ie to be a ranking member of the British defence force, you had to be aristocracy *and* CofE- of the fleet to Australia (was there an admiral on the fleet to Australia??) was Muslim...was just curious as to Dingo's proof for this statement...

BTW Cook was the officer in charge therefore his rank was "captain". (his was the only boat so there would be no other higher ranks)
 
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What's with all these threads that promote China? All they do is spark racism...btw what's the point in posting it in Non school and school...
 

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Originally posted by snapperhead
BTW Cook was the officer in charge therefore his rank was "captain". (his was the only boat so there would be no other higher ranks)
His position was Captain, it is different to his rank. He was still in charge.

And speaking of Cook the Venus thingy (wear it passes in front of the sun) is happening on Tuesday. The last time it happened Cook was sent to SE asia to record details of it (for parallax reasons) and from there sent to Australia
 

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thats why I put it in " " as the officer in charge ...his actual rank in His majesty's navy was Lieutenant but he also answered to "captain" (as opposed to the captain of the boat who was an officer called King from memory...)
 

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Originally posted by astro
What's with all these threads that promote China? All they do is spark racism...btw what's the point in posting it in Non school and school...
create more controversy
 

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Originally posted by Sarah168
bah. I dont care. Australian history was done with by the end of yr 10 anyway :p
lol i recken. It was sooooo boring. alongside australian geog
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LoLz...Australian History, year 8 concluded my relationship with History. :p
your the lucky grade that didnt have to do such garbage.
 

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Yeah, but some people believe that the Chinese are trying to colonise Australia now.

Anyway, it wasn't taught in Australia that Captain cook was the first foreigner to discover Australia.
Dutch explorer Dirk Van Hartog discovered the land in like the sixteenth century, but he found Western Australia and declared it a bad land to colonise.
 

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lol the Chinese colonising Australia? whoa... thats a bit intense isnt it? its like saying the Persians are colonising America.
 

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Why would history students need to know this when it's only a small minority of Modern History students studying a topic that has anything to do with Australia?
 

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just because there is a high population of a culture doesnt justify the case being put forth that they are colonising the nation which they settle in. If that was the case, like I said before, Persians would have long ago colonised California... with a persian population nearly half the Australian population residing in Cali.
 

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