US charges 4 men in plot to blow up JFK airport (1 Viewer)

[Born2baplacebo]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...charges_4_men_in_plot_to_blow_up_jfk_airport/

WASHINGTON -- Federal authorities have charged four men with conspiring to blow up John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, foiling an alleged terrorist plot that stretched from New York to the Caribbean and South America, the Justice Department announced yesterday.

The suspects included a former cargo handler at JFK and a former member of the parliament of Guyana. The group, all Muslims, was in the early stages of the plan, which called for bombing fuel lines and tanks feeding the airport. They hoped the attack would be more devastating than the destruction of the World Trade Center in 2001, the criminal complaint said.
Roslynn Mauskop, the US attorney in Brooklyn, described the arrests as a major victory that broke up "one of the most chilling plots imaginable" -- one that could have caused "unthinkable" devastation had it succeeded.
But the alleged plot was never close to fruition. The FBI had been tracking the alleged plot since 2006, and a member of the group was an FBI informant. In addition, the suspects lacked both the expertise and equipment necessary to turn their aspiration into a reality, authorities said.
Still, the group had reached out to a Muslim group in Trinidad for financial and technical assistance, the complaint said. An unnamed leader of the group agreed last month to help them get in contact with militants overseas, it said.

Now what would be interesting if this really did happen, and a conspiracy happened like the one behind 9/11 apparently.

Bombs=government conspiracy

 

[iamsickofyear12]

all muslims... big surprise.

 

[BritneySpears]

This made racial profiling perfectly justified when it comes to employment in sensitive areas such as Airport, nuclear power plants etc where one dishonest employee can inflict maximum damage.

What is more chilling is the involvement of an ex- MP from Guyana.

 

[sam04u]

Eh, more radicals intune with the Palestinians plight, but not finding the correct venue to display their anger and distaste towards the western support. Unless ofcourse somebody can find a different motive for their reason to blow up the JFK airport. The shit thing is these types of threats will always continue, but I suppose they can use this as some sort of "accomplishment" too bad the international espionage and CIA couldn't have done the same thing on 9/11. (Oh wait, 1600 structural engineers have since testified that the way the 7th WTC building fell was inconclusive with the reports.)

all muslims... big surprise.

Muslims who want to attack the United States? Doesn't sound like much of a surprise to me. Because of the U.S led war in Iraq, sanctions and embargoes on "Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Iran and even Cuba" (I know.. wtf mate? Cuba?) Millions have died, and whole nations are now impoverished. This is not an attack, but rather a retaliation.

I don't find it impossible to believe that muslms abroad would want to attack the nation most responsible for Islamic grieving around the world. That would be the U.S of A.

 

[sam04u]

This made racial profiling perfectly justified.

Right...

Basically, all Blacks are thieves.
Middle-Aged white men are paedophiles.
Muslims are terrorists.
Jews are murderers who only like money.
Indians are stealing our jobs.
Asians eat rice and...

Right.... Justified...

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Muslims who want to attack the United States? Doesn't sound like much of a surprise to me. Because of the U.S led war in Iraq, sanctions and embargoes on "Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Iran and even Cuba" (I know.. wtf mate? Cuba?) Millions have died, and whole nations are now impoverished. This is not an attack, but rather a retaliation.

I don't find it impossible to believe that muslms abroad would want to attack the nation most responsible for Islamic grieving around the world. That would be the U.S of A.

Ever heard of sarcasm.

Are you suggesting terrorist attacks are justified? Because they aren't.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Right...

Basically, all Blacks are thieves.
Middle-Aged white men are paedophiles.
Muslims are terrorists.
Jews are murderers who only like money.
Indians are stealing our jobs.
Asians eat rice and...

Right.... Justified...

You are a complete moron.

 

[sam04u]

Ever heard of sarcasm.

Uh, yah.

Are you suggesting terrorist attacks are justified? Because they aren't.

No, definately not. I'm just saying they're as justified as what the U.S has been doing to those countries.

You are a complete moron.

I suppose so. I just don't want to have to be subject to discrimination and be looked at like I did something wrong each time I go to an airport. (When I've done nothing wrong and don't plan too.) That idiot has not looked at the number of muslims who fly annually. Should they all be humiliated because of a minority of terrorists who share the same religion? (1.5 billion people throughout the world discriminated against because of less than a handful?)

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Uh, yah.

No, definately not. I'm just saying they're as justified as what the U.S has been doing to those countries.

I suppose so. I just don't want to have to be subject to discrimination and be looked at like I did something wrong each time I go to an airport. (When I've done nothing wrong and don't plan too.) That idiot has not looked at the number of muslims who fly annually. Should they all be humiliated because of a minority of terrorists who share the same religion? (1.5 billion people throughout the world discriminated against because of less than a handful?)

They aren't as justified. There is a huge difference between what America does overseas and the way terrorists target people.

To not racially profile muslims at airports would be completely irresponsible. Any suggestion that it is no different that profiling other people is ridiculous. It is significantly more than a handful, and the number of muslims that hate America, western countries and generally anyone who isn't muslim is huge.

 

[Born2baplacebo]

You are a complete moron.

No. It's just you that thinks everyone's a complete moron. He said something quite SMART......

 

[iamsickofyear12]

No. It's just you that thinks everyone's a complete moron. He said something quite SMART......

The comparison of racial profiling of muslims to the groups he said is ridiculous. It is not smart at all.

 

[Born2baplacebo]

Right...

Basically, all Blacks are thieves.
Middle-Aged white men are paedophiles.
Muslims are terrorists.
Jews are murderers who only like money.
Indians are stealing our jobs.
Asians eat rice and...

Right.... Justified...

doesn't sound like profiling to me iamsickofyear12

 

[iamsickofyear12]

doesn't sound like profiling to me iamsickofyear12

9/11 - Muslims
All since terrorist attacks and attempted attacks - Muslims

In the last 6 year all terrorists have been muslims.

Tell me, in the past 6 years:
has every thief been black?
has every pedophile been a middle aged white man?
have all murders who only like money been jews?
have everyone who has stolen someones job been an indian?
has everyone who has eaten rice been an asian?

Even 1 would be nice.

 

[Ennaybur]

arab appearance /= muslim though.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

arab appearance /= muslim though.

Profiling is usually more complicated than arab appearance = muslim, but for untrained security and airport staff what do you suggest? Either they work on the assumption that arab appearance = muslim and maybe some people are inconvenienced but no planes get blown up, or do nothing and just hope everything works out.

I've been frisked at least twice that I can remember when getting on a plane and both times everyone was frisked, not just arab looking people.

 

[sam04u]

9/11 - Muslims
All since terrorist attacks and attempted attacks - Muslims

9/11 - Done by the CIA
Major terrorist groups - Funded by CIA
Taliban - Armed and trained by CIA

There has actually been ample examples of terrorism since 9/11 and predating 9/11 that was not commited by muslims. What exactly is terrorism? Maybe in your imbecilic and wrong definition of terrorism you can make that preposterous claim.

Here is the correct definition of terrorism.

The political use of violent force and weapons that deliberately target or involve civilians, and do not focus mainly on military or government targets

As terrorism ultimately involves the use or threat of violence with the aim of creating fear not only to the victims but among a wide audience

So get that into your head. Have you looked at what has happened in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon in the last 6 years? They have commited mass terrorist attacks on those people and you are denying it through your moronic definition of terrorism.

Now, if what you're trying to say is "Terrorist attacks on the West" then you're right. It has been predominantly muslims who are retaliating the crimes of the west.

There is a huge difference between what America does overseas and the way terrorists target people.

There is one difference. The location.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

9/11 - Done by the CIA
Major terrorist groups - Funded by CIA
Taliban - Armed and trained by CIA

There has actually been ample examples of terrorism since 9/11 and predating 9/11 that was not commited by muslims. What exactly is terrorism? Maybe in your imbecilic and wrong definition of terrorism you can make that preposterous claim.

Here is the correct definition of terrorism.

So get that into your head. Have you looked at what has happened in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon in the last 6 years? They have commited mass terrorist attacks on those people and you are denying it through your moronic definition of terrorism.

Now, if what you're trying to say is "Terrorist attacks on the West" then you're right. It has been predominantly muslims who are retaliating the crimes of the west.

There is one difference. The location.

I'm not even going to bother responding to any of that rubbish.

 

[sam04u]

I've been frisked at least twice that I can remember when getting on a plane and both times everyone was frisked, not just arab looking people.

That's fine by me. Muslims come in different shapes, sizes and appearances. As long as it's not a discrimination thing, then it is justified. Security comes before convenience any day. (But disconvenience everybody if that's the case.)

They should actually do more. Especially with people carrying drugs, weapons and other things with them on planes.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

That's fine by me. Muslims come in different shapes, sizes and appearances. As long as it's not a discrimination thing, then it is justified. Security comes before convenience any day. (But disconvenience everybody if that's the case.)

They should actually do more. Especially with people carrying drugs, weapons and other things with them on planes.

The only people trying to blow up planes are muslims so can you please explain to me why it is not acceptable to discriminate based on this factor? If there was a mix of people doing it then everyone would be equally inconvenienced... but it's not everyone, it is an obvious group of people. Being able to racially profile terrorists is a significant advantage. Do you expect that advantage to just be ignored for the sake of treating everyone equally?

 

[sam04u]

The only people trying to blow up planes are muslims

That's a border-line loaded question.

Recently people who have tried to blow up planes were muslims. But muslims do not want to blow up planes.

so can you please explain to me why it is not acceptable to discriminate based on this factor?

There are many reasons why it is not acceptable to discriminate based on that factor.

1. What is a muslim? How can you distinguish a muslim from a non-muslim? Should all people who look arab, immediately be defined as muslim?

2. Are all muslims terrorist? There is about 1.5 billion muslims in the world. How many of these are terrorists or have been terrorists?

Those are just a few.

If there was a mix of people doing it then everyone would be equally inconvenienced...

Again, do you understand what you're saying? Are all muslims accountable for the actions of a few? Are you certain that degrading and racially profiling on an apparent group which is really "hard to determine" can potentially be dangerous? Which country do you think has the greatest number of muslims? (There are European, Asian, Arab, Anglo, African and Latin muslims.) How do you distinguish between muslims and non-muslims?

Do you expect that advantage to just be ignored for the sake of treating everyone equally?

The advantage would still exist though. Nobody would be inconvenienced more than others, and better security could be achieved.