"Womens Rights From The Perspective Of Teenagers.....(both male an female)" (1 Viewer)

[physician]

ok... i've been thinking.. for a while...

and have come to ask this question....
welll
seeing as though womens rights is a universal issue
i'm inetersted to know what female teenagers...define womens rights to be.... and what they mean for each... (eg.. does it mean freedom of dress.... freedom.... to be able to pursue the lifelong dream of becoming a leader...... or does it simply mean... to be treated fairly.. with respect.. and not be treated like an object (as some psycho men these days tend to think is the correct way to treat a female--moreso men who are ignorant )..
anways.. i'd also like to know what male teenagers think about this issue.....

are ur views shaped by those of adults.. or are they different.. and if so... how?

..... what do female teenagers feel to be unjust treatment towards them.. in comparison to the freedom male teenagers get...

some have complained and said "my brother was allowd to get his license at 16... i wasnt until i turned 18...

"my bro is allowed to go cinema with friends but i'm not"....

are these the type of things u would campaign for.. or r u looking at the deeper meaning of the term 'womens rights'.. such as the struggle for the womens vote... or women recieving equal pay for the same jobs as men....?????????? etc....

 

[joujou_84]

every age group has different needs and wants....when ur 12 ur protesting to be allowed to go out with ur friends alone....u expect it to be ur right.....by 15 thats not a issue anymore....so u leave it behind and look for something else to protest for....each age gruop differs in wat they expect their rights to be...by the time a girl becomes a woman not being allowed to go the to the cinema is not a problem....instead equal pay and paid maternity leave is an important issue......so yeh....btw i didnt really understand excatly wat ur after with this thread...

 

[Phanatical]

What about paid paternity leave? Or affirmative action in jobs like waste disposal? Women have it pretty good. 80 years ago, the difference in life expectancy between men and women in western society was only 1 year - now women are expected to live 10 years longer than men. Fact is, oppressed people don't live longer than their oppressors, and as young men, we should be wondering how We are disadvantaged in today's society.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I agree, men are disadvantaged in society... and i think it's time women allowed some concessions to be made in the way of a more male education system, etc.

There truely does seem to only be one way sympathy, society feels the pain of a pregnant woman but not of the young man working 1 job, comming home to an emotional wife for a year, etc,etc.

 

[physician]

every age group has different needs and wants....when ur 12 ur protesting to be allowed to go out with ur friends alone....u expect it to be ur right.....by 15 thats not a issue anymore....so u leave it behind and look for something else to protest for....each age gruop differs in wat they expect their rights to be...by the time a girl becomes a woman not being allowed to go the to the cinema is not a problem....instead equal pay and paid maternity leave is an important issue......so yeh....btw i didnt really understand excatly wat ur after with this thread...

i'm just interested in what each individual sees womens rights be....

for example if u were asked define "womens rights" in ur own words.. how would u reply.....

and by the way... for the males... i'll quote what some girls have said...

"womens rights are beginning to increase to the extent where soon men will begin protesting for mens rights..." (although this has allready happened.. but it will become even greater...)

i'll give u a quote one of my teachers said: "women are campaigning for rights... and men are just giving em what they want... as long as u give a man his couch, a telly and turn on the footy match.. he doesnt give a stuff "...(I was kind of surprised hearing that coming from a teacher.. but it was kind of funny)

anyways.. yeh.. i hope u now understand what I was asking joujou......

 

[Phanatical]

It's incredibly important that males in our schools and our universities stand together to defend male rights.

Join the Australian Tertiary Male Rights Association - email me at andrew.quah@secsmusic.org for more information.

 

[Lorie]

As a male teenager i haven't seen that much difference in rights between young males and females. From what i've seen there are equal opportunities for both. There will always be differences between men and women are naturally different. WIthout being directly offensive to women, but there is a general fear about women being physically weaker and therefore more sercepable to the dangers of some males. So safety becomes an issue when looking at the freedom of women. There are morals (and laws) in which generally protect women, however sometimes that isn't enough.

I don't know if there is really a separation between mens and womens rights these days for young people, we seem to have the same opportunities. Maybe for things such as scolarships, there might be a slight advantage towards women, but that is in the aim of changing the stats against women in certain areas. Some i guess would argue about the whole glass celing thing, but thats something we worry about when we get older.

 

[Cape]

On the topic of womens rights, what is it with people had causing a big uproar everytime a woman breastfeeds in public??? Seriously, you see more at the beach, and breastfeeding is often the best source of food for newborns. In some places women actually have to leave a room and go into a bathroom when the child is starving and is crying etc, I don't see a problem with breastfeeding in public - maybe its just a clash of generations. Its just my opinion anyway, btw from a teenager girls perspective.

I assume what i wrote was what you were referring to by womens rights.

 

[MissSavage29]

What about paid paternity leave? Or affirmative action in jobs like waste disposal? Women have it pretty good. 80 years ago, the difference in life expectancy between men and women in western society was only 1 year - now women are expected to live 10 years longer than men. Fact is, oppressed people don't live longer than their oppressors, and as young men, we should be wondering how We are disadvantaged in today's society.

actaully funny i came across this tonight- about an hour ago i was flicking through an old copy of Cleo which i found in my room and they had an article on womens rights within australia and the decrese in standards of womens rights.

i dont know how credible a source people rate cleo as - but it has some insteresting statistics - it was saying compared to 2002 in some feilds of work women recieve 66% of the male wage - meaning in certain sectors men are still paid higher wages.
then there were figures for abuse of women by parters/employers - it had risen something like 150% within a year (2002-2003 i believe) - the figures stated that it equated to something like 10 women every hour beign abused. if correct that is a pretty shocking statistic.

i dont think you can say just because women are expected to live an extra ten years they are not still under certain oppression within society.

take the debate into the political arean - how come male indisgressions are quickly covered up and forgotton about. How many people are still talking about that liberal guy from sydney who had an affair with some women while having a pregnant wife at home. While any women that becomes a slight threat within politics, look at natashia stotdispoia ( i can't spell her name sry) or Browyn Bishoip
who had there politial carrers terminated. they were both prominant figures within their parties and there carrers were targeted wtih such 'scandels' that basically ended their chances for them. the media were pretty horricfic in their handeling of such situations

there was even that case with the female politican dating a member of the opposition - if i remember correctly the attention was on her to resign from her party. If we were such an egalitarian society then we would allow women to hold seats of political power without executing them publically when they get some populatrity and influence.

so how exactly are men discriminated agaisnt in society? men get paid paternity leave if they request it - its legally recognised. men have been given the oppertunity to partake in what were 'traditionally' noted as 'female jobs' - ie nursing, secritarital work, stay-at-home fathers

 

[blackfriday]

natasha 'stott-despoja' (apparently the correct spelling) was an easy target because she was a young woman and liked to associate with those of her age as opposed to putting on a show in front of the old people.

now in terms of law, my legal studies book says that because most judges are white, middle-class, middle-aged men, women have a stigma of untrustworthiness and exageration attached to them by the judge.

but with work, people who do economics will know that resources are allocated to the most efficient producers, and they are clearly men. this was put into practise at my workplace, where they got rid of all the girls except one and hired all guys because they worked harder and faster. but for jobs that require 'a woman's touch', which probably would include nursing, i believe that women should get paid accordingly to their skills (ie. more than men). dont lambast me on this, please.

 

[waterfowl]

so how exactly are men discriminated agaisnt in society? men get paid paternity leave if they request it - its legally recognised. men have been given the oppertunity to partake in what were 'traditionally' noted as 'female jobs' - ie nursing, secritarital work, stay-at-home fathers

Paid paternity leave is harder to obtain than paid maternity leave.
Women have also been given the opportunity to partake in 'traditional' male jobs as well.
One way in which men (it seems) are greatly discriminated against is when it comes to divorce and child custody. Often the male is given less custody rights than the mother. I don't know statistics, but from my personal experience I have never known of a couple who has divorced, and the children have been given to the father. It's almost like the father is disregarded.

Another more trivial way in which men are discriminated against is when it comes to the topic of sexual harrasment.
Take for example a joke. A female can make a derogatory joke about a man or the male 'species' in general and it doesn't go any further than that. On the flipside, if a man makes a belittling joke about a female or the 'species' in general, it is usually taken offensively and can lead to legal action being taken.
There exists double standards when it comes to what men can say about women and what women can say about men - and that is unfair.

 

[Phanatical]

Cleo is hardly a credible source, and is hardly going to consider the point of view of the male gender.

These "fields of work" include entire industries - Healthcare (doctors, nurses, administrative, orderlies etc.), Transport (truck drivers, taxi drivers, bus drivers, train drivers, signal support, rta desk-people) etc. It seems logical that men would earn more money, considering they work more hours and in more jobs to fulfill the socially-accepted role of breadwinner.

I have here a bibliography compiled by Martin S. Fiebert containing 122 scholarly investigations, 99 empirical studies and 23 reviews/analyses demonstrating that women are as physically aggressive, or More aggressive, than men in their relationships with their partners. Most feminist sources will quote "studies" which don't include a single male respondent, and while some will say that 98% of Domestic Violence is perpetrated by men (this is a statistic from a National Union of Students policy), it doesn't make it true.

If we must have affirmative action in the "best" jobs in society (which are already hard enough for somebody like me to get, without having to face affirmative action), why shouldn't we also have affirmative action for jobs in waste disposal, or long haul truck driving, emergency electrical repairs, explosive demolition, asbestos removal etc.

In regards to custody cases, over 90% of the cases (I believe the actual statistic is around 98%, but I am not sure) that face the Family Court are won by the mother. There is no such thing as 50/50 custody in these cases, there's just a presumption that the mother is a better parent, despite no evidence to support this. Many women have used this presumption to their advantage, trying to make life as difficult as possible for the man in the partnership - there are literally hundreds of cases where this happens, yet nothing is being done.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Yea i agree, u hear that there must be equal ammounts of women in high powered jobs & government etc, but no one ever complains that there are too many men in the less desirable sectors too.

It is not a matter of them not getting paid the same for the same ammount/type of work...
If you're in a company doing the same work as a man and getting paid less.. then i believe it's fair for u to complain.

 

[Phanatical]

This is why men need to join groups like the Australian Tertiary Male Rights Association, to put an end to this systematic destruction of our rights and identity as males. We're being brought up to be subservient to women. I was reading in this book about a guy who felt so guilty about the oppression he was taught his gender had perpentrated upon women, that he brought breakfast in bed to his wife and her lover, and another who slept in the same room as his newborn son while his wife took a lesbian lover in the next room.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

lol i'll join in, maybe if u get enough members SOME university will finally recognise this... or just consider us all sexist bastards.

 

[Phanatical]

Send me email! andrew.quah@secsmusic.org