Israel–Gaza conflict (10 Viewers)

[Iron]

They can all jump into the lake, espesh the Palestinians. All this is a wasteful distraction from basking in the inherent superiority of western culture

 

[КГБ]

They can all jump into the lake, espesh the Palestinians. All this is a wasteful distraction from basking in the inherent superiority of western culture

what "culture" do you speak of?

 

[Iron]

I think that I speak of the culture that put a man on the moon, or as Plato would say, "I think that Iron speaks of the culture that put a man on the moon". Nothing tickles me more (boxer shorts aside) than this triumphant gloating

 

[Gazz95]

lol Iron FTW

 

[КГБ]

I think that I speak of the culture that put a man on the moon, or as Plato would say, "I think that Iron speaks of the culture that put a man on the moon". Nothing tickles me more (boxer shorts aside) than this triumphant gloating

great definition of culture. beautiful. marvelous. outstanding. *claps*.

sending a man on the moon is culture.

 

[thesoftparade]

It's pretty ironic how the holocaustees are now the holocausters.
That is really actually shit funny.

 

[Gazz95]

uhhh its not a holocaust mate

 

[ywontuend]

I suggest you read up on free markets. The reason those people are making air conditioners in other countries is because we have immigration restrictions in our own nation.

If we simply unilaterally dropped immigration restrictions and import taxes/tarrifs we'd increase our productive output and provide better living standards for people the world over.

Who is having a better standard of living right now? Peasants in Saudi Arabia/Pakistan, etc, which are mostly Socialistic countries, or Africans in Botswana which is a Capitalist society?

Think you know the answer to that one.

What system is bringing India/China out of poverty and an agrarian lifestyle?

Capitalism.

There is no god to fall back on, nationalism is foolish, Capitalism actually works.

Capitalism is mankind's greatest achievement.

Schroedinger the reason we dont drop these taxes and tarrifs you speak of is because money talks. Transnational corporations arent so eager to start up working factories in countries like Australia simply because it is cheaper to get a peasant from India, house him in terrible conditions, pay him less than a $1 a day and then make him churn out for example Nike shoes that sell in Australia for $150.

Plus the advantage of having companies in countries like India is that there are none of the restrictions that exist or are imposed on factory made goods in Australia. Factories dont need to pass strenous safety tests, there is no minimum wage or adequate working conditions and nor are there restrictions to the amount of carbon dioxide being churned out by these millions of factories. In other words it becomes easy to exploit, which is why these corporations decide to set up house in these countries anyway.

BTW dont even think for a minute that Saudi Arabia is socialistic. Saudi Arabia is attached to America and unsuprisingly its economic system is becoming increasingly capitalist, which is why the gulf is now notorious for its exploitation of South East Asians.

The morality of capitalism is flawed. It becomes ok to expolit those who know no better and then justify it by saying that they wouldnt have a job if it werent for these corporations.

What worries me about capitalism is that profit is the only concern. No thought is made as to how much humans sufffer and the degree to which wealth is distributed unevenly.

That is why capitalism will mean the deterioration of humankind.

 

[ywontuend]

You are a waste of time. I'm not going to bother because logic, fact and history means nothing to you. Ty for calling me sub human. ANTI SEMITISM! CALL B'NAI B'RITH!

hahahahaha

I have to tell you i havent laughed that hard in ages, but your post just set me on fire.

lol. I never said "bunch of noobishness". Is that your retaliation? Fabricating my posts and then telling me "i'm a waste of time"?

Tell me rasengan90 in what way do i not respect logic or history?

Do the Geneva conventions not exist? Do they not outline that even in times of war there must be some common humanity extended to civilians?

And how is my arguement that Israel should follow international protocol a defiance of logic? Following natural law is against logic is it? LOL. Some would tell you that natural law was devoloped out of logic.

Am i wrong to suggest that Israel is giving the Gaza civilians a choice of death or a lifetime of rotting in a refugee camp?

Please, you have just proved yourself to be beyond moronic. First you fabricate my post and then you have the nerve to tell me i'm defying logic and history.

Thats a great arguement, though i noticed that you did not respond to any of the seven arguements that i mentioned and could not muster up a valid reason as to why i am defying logic and history.

Lastly how am i Anti-Semitic? I am Semitic you bloody idiot. I'm working against myself am I?

Seriously stop with your apathetic attempts to argue back. They are amusing at most.

 

[ywontuend]

Spoken like a true socialist.

What's wrong with collecting possessions? What else is there to life than accumulating and hoarding the things we buy with our money. Why does something have no value if we've worked hard to buy it?

The government that backs me is a product of capitalism. Capitalism works. I pay taxes, these taxes go towards the community. I work - I get paid for my work, I get paid more than somebody who works at Maccas, because I work harder than somebody who works at Maccas.

I'm not sure what your point is. These people aren't in the predicament they're in because of capitalism.
They're in that predicament because they're too stupid to utilise something that works - a la capitalism.

LOL. I love most of all that you are all assuming that i am a guy. I am a girl you idiots! Your stereotyping me into the male gender instantly proves just how superficial you all are.

Hate to break this to you but im not a socialist, nor a communist, nor a leninst or any other type of "ist" for that matter. Why would i be? Communism and socialism were all Jewish creations, invented by a man who called religion an "opium for the people". Tell me who that is?

The government that backs you isnt entirely capitalist. The fact that welfare and social provisions exist simultaneously in Australia with the free markets goes to show that Australia actually has a working mixed constitution and economic policy. I suggest you consider that before making your blase claims.

Furthermore as i have said before in above posts, i believe the morality of capitalism is flawed. The desire for profits above all else makes the value of other things in life void. The pioneer of mass production and capitalism Henry Ford himself said that "History is bunk" meaning that with the onlsaught of capitalism, culture and spiritual worth alongside history would cease to have any meaning.

Human being are shaped by their socio economic situation and placement in life. Just because you were fortunate enough to be granted a life where you have many opportunities, it does not mean that all other human beings have been in the same predicament.

My point is that Capitalism leaves no room for social awareness or consciousness. People become so consumed by money making that life eventually ceases to have any meaning. Money should be a means to an end. A commodity that allows you to participate in the greater worth of life, it shouldnt be something that becomes the sole focus of our lives ala capitalism.

 

[rasengan90]

Seriousness

It was a joke ya noob. You're not capable of argument so I was having fun with you. Enjoy it? You really are quite high and mighty aren't you?
PS. A high UAI doesn't mean you are necessarily smarter than everyone around you, you are just awesome at cramming

 

[moll.]

Yeh i pretty much am an Islamaphobe, any religion that calls for the death of people who don't convert to Islam is pretty fucked up imo.

Sorry, for a moment then I thought you were talking about Christianity and Judaism. My bad.

 

[moll.]

Really? Well played on a completely sweeping statement! I do applaud you. Unfortunately, it's complete crap. Yes, capitalism allows for selfishness, but to suggest there is no room for social awareness and consciousness is very misguided. Without capitalism would philanthrophy occur? Would foundations such as The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (which actually puts the Gates in the top 50 global philanthropists, pretty good for capitalist scum!) exist in a communist society? Fascist? Socialist? Would they be as far reaching if they truly did exist?

You're right - in certain situations, life does become consumed by money and people become so obsessed that nothing else matters. But to suggest that this is rigid is insane.

The Secret Millionaire
Warren Buffet
Jeffrey Sachs

 

[ywontuend]

It was a joke ya noob. You're not capable of argument so I was having fun with you. Enjoy it? You really are quite high and mighty aren't you?
PS. A high UAI doesn't mean you are necessarily smarter than everyone around you, you are just awesome at cramming

Awesome joke. You had me clutching my ribcage from the hilarity of it all.

Until Rageeb had the nerve to ask why i got a high UAI, at what other time have i brought up my UAI?

I dont think the UAI is the only indicator of intelligence and by bringing it up it sounds like someone is bitter. No?

You dont know whether i crammed or not, dont make assumptions about my study habits.

Plus in what way am i incapable of having an arguement. i'm not the one fabricating posts and pretending their jokes in order to digress from the topic at hand and not answer any of the questions i have provided.

 

[ywontuend]

Am I wrong to suggest that the Arab states did exactly the same thing after the end of the 1948 War? Displaced Palestinians weren't accepted into the Arab States, so they were placed in border camps - many of the people stayed for a life time. And so far, I'm yet to see figures that state every single living Gazan resident is confined to a refugee camp. Would be nice to see these facts.



Failing to see where the quoted posts says anything about your gender?



Of course socialism is morally flawed. Social heirarchy means people are at the top, and people (a lot more of them) are at the bottom, meaning that we are dividing wealth in a manner that is going to cause vastly different conditions. But to be completely "moral" we'd overlook the fact that there are classes in society and run with economic equality (brb, communism).



Way to state the obvious.



Really? Well played on a completely sweeping statement! I do applaud you. Unfortunately, it's complete crap. Yes, capitalism allows for selfishness, but to suggest there is no room for social awareness and consciousness is very misguided. Without capitalism would philanthrophy occur? Would foundations such as The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (which actually puts the Gates in the top 50 global philanthropists, pretty good for capitalist scum!) exist in a communist society? Fascist? Socialist? Would they be as far reaching if they truly did exist?

You're right - in certain situations, life does become consumed by money and people become so obsessed that nothing else matters. But to suggest that this is rigid is insane.

If you had bothered to read any of the previous posts you would notice that i condemn the Arab politicians for all their actions towards the Palestinians. Just because the Israelis choose to follow their actions it makes them more humane does it? A very weak arguement if you ask me.

Furthermore there were figures released about the extent to which Palestinians were displaced. It was at about 1 million during the ground invasion. The fact that they had to endure refugee camps is born out of logic. Egypt is helping Israel with the blockade and syria and Jordan both dont give a shit so where do the Palestinians go? Into a refugee camp

Again if you had bothered to read any of the previous posts you would notice that David Spade was referring to me as a "Guy" and "He". I just thought it was funny that they all assumed i was a guy.

Where have i said that i'm a socialist or believe that socialism is the answer? Again this is an assumption. I dont believe in socialism or communism. I was merely discussing the flaws of capitalism and protesting against the idea that it has been a liberator of humankind.

Yes whatever tangible achievments these "philanthropic" institutions achieve is sadly overrided by the fact that the mantra of capitalism is "Greed is good". Again to give you my example, the twisted laws of capitalism allowed a Lehman brother to gain a 480 million payment while millions of people lost their lifes savings and investments. "Storm financial" just recently left 14 000 Australains in the lurch after its owners ran off with milions leaving their customers without their lifes savings or retirement funds.

So these occurences are a minority are they? These occurences show that the floundering of capitalism SOLELY means that the common people will lose out while the elite minority get to escape and live in the spoils and excesses of too much money.

I didnt suggest that this occurence is rigid. I did however suggest that this is what capitalism leads to and indeed it has. Throughout the financial crisis we have seen numerous examples of this and indeed the cause of the financial crisis has been largely attributed to "greed".

Lastly stop assuming that i think Fascism or Socialism are the answers. I find them both detestable ideologies.

 

[ywontuend]

I think that I speak of the culture that put a man on the moon, or as Plato would say, "I think that Iron speaks of the culture that put a man on the moon". Nothing tickles me more (boxer shorts aside) than this triumphant gloating

So why not put a man on the moon again? Why not an encore for our generation?

It seems to me that the Americans reluctance to place a man on the moon again just goes to show how questionable it is that man have landed on the moon in the first place.

Dont desecrate the name of Plato with your fumbling attempts to say anything coherently. Your jokes arent funny anyway.

 

[IRC-Supporter]

I think that I speak of the culture that put a man on the moon, or as Plato would say, "I think that Iron speaks of the culture that put a man on the moon". Nothing tickles me more (boxer shorts aside) than this triumphant gloating

Might I remind you if it was not for Islam, western Europe would still be in the dark ages right now? Islam established the foundations of European civilization.

 

[IRC-Supporter]

So why not put a man on the moon again? Why not an encore for our generation?

It seems to me that the Americans reluctance to place a man on the moon again just goes to show how questionable it is that man have landed on the moon in the first place.

Dont desecrate the name of Plato with your fumbling attempts to say anything coherently. Your jokes arent funny anyway.

I can't believe he would even be so ignorant to believe they actually put a man on the moon, with all the evidence to debunk this fact.

 

[withoutaface]

I can't believe he would even be so ignorant to believe they actually put a man on the moon, with all the evidence to debunk this fact.

There's nothing up my sleeve.

 

[IRC-Supporter]

So why not put a man on the moon again? Why not an encore for our generation?

It seems to me that the Americans reluctance to place a man on the moon again just goes to show how questionable it is that man have landed on the moon in the first place.

Dont desecrate the name of Plato with your fumbling attempts to say anything coherently. Your jokes arent funny anyway.

LOL i like the Bush comment as your signature. Remember when during the financial collapse of General Motors, the press asked him "What do you think of the current situation of General Motors?" He said "I think his doing a fine job in Iraq". LOL