Do all schools offer every level of English? (1 Viewer)

[xXmuffin0manXx]

Do all schools offer every level of English?

ESL
Standard
Advanced
Ext. 1
Ext. 2

Yes or No

 

[Bacchus]

Must all schools offer every level of English?

Standard
Advanced
Ext. 1
Ext. 2

You forgot ESL (English as a Second Language).

Yes they should because schools must meet the demands of different individuals but interest of individuals sometimes need to be limited for the sake of the majority (may sound selfish but that's how the world rolls unfortunately).

So, even though they should, I don't think not all schools can offer every level of English. Well, it's not a matter of "should" or "must", it's more of a matter of "Is it possible?". If we talk about schools offerring all levels of English, we cannot forget the cost of it.

In terms of effectivenss and efficiency, it will be extremely difficult. If the school is to provide some other English course, they need to either employ other trained teachers for that course or retrain the teachers so that they can actually teach the course. And think about the situation where there are not enough people applying for that specific course. So whatever the action that school is to adopt, there should always be an extra cost incurred from this.

And if they were to have only 1 or 2 students applying for the course.... in terms of cost, it will be quite a huge sum of money.

In addition, it's also impossible to provide ESL to many schools because most students in the school cannot take ESL in the first place.

Basically, in terms of effectivenss and efficiency, providing all levels of English won't just work. Different schools will have to cater for differing needs of students.

 

[xXmuffin0manXx]

You forgot ESL (English as a Second Language).

Yes they should because schools must meet the demands of different individuals but interest of individuals sometimes need to be limited for the sake of the majority (may sound selfish but that's how the world rolls unfortunately).

So, even though they should, I don't think not all schools can offer every level of English. Well, it's not a matter of "should" or "must", it's more of a matter of "Is it possible?". If we talk about schools offerring all levels of English, we cannot forget the cost of it.

In terms of effectivenss and efficiency, it will be extremely difficult. If the school is to provide some other English course, they need to either employ other trained teachers for that course or retrain the teachers so that they can actually teach the course. And think about the situation where there are not enough people applying for that specific course. So whatever the action that school is to adopt, there should always be an extra cost incurred from this.

And if they were to have only 1 or 2 students applying for the course.... in terms of cost, it will be quite a huge sum of money.

In addition, it's also impossible to provide ESL to many schools because most students in the school cannot take ESL in the first place.

Basically, in terms of effectivenss and efficiency, providing all levels of English won't just work. Different schools will have to cater for differing needs of students.

Ext. 2 English classes dont always have too many people.

Some schools have only have about two students undertaking the course.

In addition, you talk of the matter as if we are putting a price on one's education.
We all have the right to it and event though we do pay for student contribution
and other fees, saying a course is too expensive to cater for the needs of a student
isn't really fair.

English is compulsory and if the school doesn't offer the levl of English that suits
the student's needs, they are in effect telling the student to move to another school
which can have its ups and downs. This wouldn't be fair because it is the only compulsory subject. A person wanting to do standard but can't because of availability isn't his fault because
that student may not have chosen English in the first place.

Therefore, if the BOS want to make English compulsory, it would only be fair to make every school offer every level of English.

Anyway, I'm putting this topic specifically on English.

 

[Timothy.Siu]

we dont have standard or esl
same as many selective schools

 

[Bacchus]

Ext. 2 English classes dont always have too many people.

Some schools have only have about two students undertaking the course.

Yes, you are correct. But there are just too much effort to provide all levels of English. At least those schools may have been providing that course for a long time in the past but starting a new course doesnt' simply mean getting students, it also means getting all these books, classrooms, more organisation, getting a teacher who can teach and etc. And if that's to happen across NSW, how much would it be?

As I said, it is important to make sure the system stays as effective and efficient as possible and trying to provide all those courses it not on the agenda. If they want to learn it, they can go somewhere else and do it or via Distance Education. Distance Education exists for that.

In addition, you talk of the matter as if we are putting a price on one's education.
We all have the right to it and event though we do pay for student contribution
and other fees, saying a course is too expensive to cater for the needs of a student.

Anyway, I'm putting this topic specifically on English.

Refer to above. There are ways to do it (through Distance Ed or through TAFE). If they want to do it and if schools cannot do it, they should do it via that method.

 

[gcchick]

My school provided all English courses, with the exception of ESL because we had no students in my year who were able to study it.

 

[Paradox1345]

we dont have standard or esl
same as many selective schools

yep

 

[Jessicaz2910]

mii school does...

i think at least every government school should

 

[lou071]

Do all schools offer every level of English?

ESL
Standard
Advanced
Ext. 1
Ext. 2

Yes or No

no, not all schools

 

[dizzyizzy]

My school's tiny but we offer all English courses...
But EE1 and EE2 are taught by one of the two Advanced teachers.

 

[Rainie]

We don't offer ESL. We only offer Standard, Advanced, Ex 1 and Ex 2. I go to a partially selective school.

 

[Freckles14]

Mine does. ESL, Funadmentals, Standard, Advanced. Extensions One and Two they only offer if they feel the student/s are up to it.

I'm half surprised and half not that some selective schools don't offer anything less than Advanced. What do they do with kids who come from overseas? Or people who just suck at reading and writing? That's kind of unfair to people who hate the subject (speaking as someone who loves the subject).

 

[KarenCn]

mine deosnt offer ESL so theres your answer

besides, Ext2 is not done by all schools either

not sure on the policy regarding if you INSIST you want to do ext2, are schools obligated to make arrangements?

 

[Deltan]

Mine does. ESL, Funadmentals, Standard, Advanced. Extensions One and Two they only offer if they feel the student/s are up to it.

I'm half surprised and half not that some selective schools don't offer anything less than Advanced. What do they do with kids who come from overseas? Or people who just suck at reading and writing? That's kind of unfair to people who hate the subject (speaking as someone who loves the subject).

How does someone qualify to do Fundamentals english?
never knew such a course existed

 

[studentcheese]

To do Fundamentals of English, you must be a Standard kid or ESL (I think). At my school, we don't offer Standard English or ESL. The majority of people do English Extension 1.

 

[annabackwards]

My school offers all english courses and for ESL of course only those eligible can choose that level of english.