Should we care about whaling? (3 Viewers)

[philphie]

if the japs want to eat whales why don't they just eat beached whales? they're most likely gonna die anyway

 

[jb_nc]

There should be restrictions if the whale is endangered or something, if not let them eat the whales.

Actually, it turns out they don't eat the whales and they have to get rid of the surplus in school lunches.

 

[philphie]

i find causing any animal pain to be wrong
im a vego cunt
i therefore find whaling wrong

i use to be vegan, lasted for 6 months, went cold turkey after an entire life as omnivore for no reason. couldn't stand not having fromage anymore plus tofu isexpensive so i quit. vegan meals lack so much variety

 

[jennyfromdabloc]

no, its perfectly acceptable to hunt anything that moves for food

Killing animals is perfectly acceptable. Its subjecting an animal to years of unnecessary cruelty that I have a problem with.

In fact, its probably much less cruel to eat whale than to eat pork or chicken.

 

[philphie]

Actually, it turns out they don't eat the whales and they have to get rid of the surplus in school lunches.

that's stupid. you might as well do the same thing with our camel crisis

 

[philphie]

Killing animals is perfectly acceptable. Its subjecting an animal to years of unnecessary cruelty that I have a problem with.

In fact, its probably much less cruel to eat whale than to eat pork or chicken.

have you seen what chickens can do to you in Zelda Oracle of Ages/Seasons?

 

[Planck]

Lots of reasons, all of which you know and agree with (or at least you used to)

Don't see the harm anymore, tbh.

Also used to believe governments were necessary, now I'm all free market woo.

 

[Kwayera]

Killing animals is perfectly acceptable. Its subjecting an animal to years of unnecessary cruelty that I have a problem with.

In fact, its probably much less cruel to eat whale than to eat pork or chicken.

Well. I think there's a difference, though I openly admit I have a bias in this situation. I don't think the way pigs are raised in Australia is unnecessarily cruel, nor how they are slaughtered (I agree with you re: battery chickens though. Disgraceful).

It's really difficult to kill a whale at sea. It's really difficult to even kill a whale that's stranded and thus stationary - to euthanise adult stranded whales, you generally have to pack a huge amount of explosives all around its head and hope for the best. At sea, there's added complications: the whale is moving, often very quickly (some species can go 30+ knots); the sea is moving in all directions, the boat is moving, and you need to ensure you can collect the body. Solution? Fire an explosive harpoon. Generally the whalers aim for the head, and aim for a quick kill, but because of all the reasons above, the average time-to-death for a harpooned Fin, for example, is something like 40 minutes after the first shot.

Yeah, I think there's a difference.

 

[xeuyrawp]

MSN conversations to be posted up in 3, 2, 1....

 

[Kwayera]

MSN conversations to be posted up in 3, 2, 1....

The emails are much jucier

 

[brunx]

the famous marine biologist and conservationist jacques costeau said this about seal hunting:

"The harp seal question is entirely emotional. We have to be logical. We have to aim our activity first to the endangered species. Those who are moved by the plight of the harp seal could also be moved by the plight of the pig - the way they are slaughtered is horrible."

a similar approach should be taken to whaling. we should care about whaling if the whale is endangered, if we as a society place a high value on preserving species of animals.

 

[Planck]

I wasn't trolling, I think Dom has a valid point. We get all up in arms about Whaling, when the impact on whale populations is negligible now they're not a source of oil, but turn a blind eye to the torture industries that allow me to eat the delicious sausage rolls I'm NOW CONSUMING

 

[Will Shakespear]

Well. I think there's a difference, though I openly admit I have a bias in this situation. I don't think the way pigs are raised in Australia is unnecessarily cruel, nor how they are slaughtered (I agree with you re: battery chickens though. Disgraceful).

It's really difficult to kill a whale at sea. It's really difficult to even kill a whale that's stranded and thus stationary - to euthanise adult stranded whales, you generally have to pack a huge amount of explosives all around its head and hope for the best. At sea, there's added complications: the whale is moving, often very quickly (some species can go 30+ knots); the sea is moving in all directions, the boat is moving, and you need to ensure you can collect the body. Solution? Fire an explosive harpoon. Generally the whalers aim for the head, and aim for a quick kill, but because of all the reasons above, the average time-to-death for a harpooned Fin, for example, is something like 40 minutes after the first shot.

Yeah, I think there's a difference.

It's also pretty funny

YouTube - The Exploding Whale

From a conservation view I'm not all that concerned about individual animal welfare; as long as there's a big enough population to fulfil whatever ecological role/processes the species has evolved to do in the relevant communities

 

[Planck]

You have to trick a pig into letting itself be killed because if they start a fearing then their meat tastes bad

 

[jb_nc]

I wasn't trolling, I think Dom has a valid point. We get all up in arms about Whaling, when the impact on whale populations is negligible now they're not a source of oil, but turn a blind eye to the torture industries that allow me to eat the delicious sausage rolls I'm NOW CONSUMING

well they way pigs are commonly raised in australia should definitely be banned

am i part of this 'we'?

 

[Kwayera]

For interest, the Japanese hunt currently includes:

Antarctic:
850+ Antarctic minke (data deficient)
50 fin whales (endangered)
50 humpback whales (0 quota (least concern))

North Pacific:
340 Northern minke (least concern)
50 Bryde's (data deficient)
100 sei (endangered)
10 sperm whales (vulnerable)

 

[philphie]

what exactly is the scientific research for?

 

[philphie]

lets turn this thread into a thread about the awful way that pigs are treated
who gives a flying fuck about no whales
pigs is where its at

turned me from a hardline sexist brute into a vegan pussy over night

make your own thread if you want to show your concerns

 

[Kwayera]

what exactly is the scientific research for?

...no one is really sure.

 

[zstar]

Man this whole whaling issue is fucking bullshit.

Japanese eat fish because they don't have the grazing land to farm cattle and sheep so white bourgeois liberals pick on them because they have yellow skin.

If these same people tried to stop a Texan eating his rump steak they'd get their asses shot.