Separation of Church and State...too much, too little, or just right? (2 Viewers)

[Anonymous-]

hahaha. Graney you hear this? Fuck the charities, that help people from other counties. I do hope your drunk, or is drug induced Anonymous, very harsh view of the world...

im not fucking drunk cunt. My view of the world is correct. Its you stupid socailist cunts who cannot fathom the very nature of man. go read a book cunt.

 

[Name_Taken]

my parents are fucking rich. If i got hit by a fucking bus ill probably be laying in some private fucking hospital being operated by the best docs. Fuck if i care about your welfare. You are scum to me. Man is naturally inclined to care for himslef first and foremost before any other being. This is the very nature of man. My welfare comes before yours. My life is more important than yours. This is the primitive nature of man kind and if you cannot fucking realize this then you are a down syndrome stupid cunt.

Lol so you're basically just leeching off your parents weath and status, sorta like how dole bludgers do the same off your mummy's and daddy's tax money.

 

[SylviaB]

I am truly sick of this crap. I know the church dont provide a living. But the roads build on taxpayer dollar dont provide a living as well, they allow transportation. And dont give me that shit about road allowing people to make money by transporting them to their jobs. THats not my point.

who said i am in favour of publicly funded roads huh cunt

The goverment fund society, to benefit society. If 20% of all Australians attend church, and they pay taxes, who are you to say they Churches shouldnt get funded?

because a majority, no matter how large, should not be able to decide to have my wealth stolen from me and given to them with the use of force

The irony of it all is this, being in uni, I do assume that you pay very little taxes, or even any at all.

im going to uni next year, and im working this year.

I'm working for this year, meaning I'm going to be paying taxes. I woun't be paying much tax relative to other people (still too much), but this just means that other ppl are over-taxed


when im at uni ill have a part time job which will get taxed. Now, this won't be much, but if government funded only what (I believed) it should fund, then this tax would be more than enough.

 

[Anonymous-]

And taxation is hardly theft, its the redistribution of weath to those more deserving and needing of it. The act of giving is the greatest gift itself.

Its not like taxation is actually hurting you anyway, you still have enough to live yourself, and if you don't then it's you who is recieving money from the government. You can't leave others behiend mate.

omfg are you fucking sped. ARE YOU?
If taxation is not fucking theft then stop paying tax and see what the fuck happens.

And yes taxation is fucking hurting me. I dont want to my fucking money handed to the government. I want to spend in on me. ..yeah ON ME.

 

[SylviaB]

Lol so you're basically just leeching off your parents weath and status, sorta like how dole bludgers do the same off your mummy's and daddy's tax money.

he has consent from his parents to do this you fuckwit, not like dole bludgers

 

[Graney]

I am truly sick of this crap. I know the church dont provide a living. But the roads build on taxpayer dollar dont provide a living as well, they allow transportation. And dont give me that shit about road allowing people to make money by transporting them to their jobs. THats not my point.

Roads could be fully privatized, built and maintained by private companies without government intervention. Many roads in the country are privatized already.

The goverment fund society, to benefit society.

Except where they fund wasteful, pointless garbage.

If 20% of all Australians attend church, and they pay taxes, who are you to say they Churches shouldnt get funded?

In exchange for ending the public funding of churches, all Australians should receive tax reduction, which will give them more money to spend on churches if they so wish.

 

[BlackDragon]

But we do find all the belief systems. Islam gets funding. Buddism gets funding. Recognised belief systems do get funding. They are not funded for their ability to save people from eternal dammanation I assure you. But on grounds of social interaction and activity.

Yes the official major religions, but these beliefs are completely equal with other more uncommon beliefs that do not get funded. It doesn't have to be a mainstream belief to be legitimate. And there are so many that it is ridiculous. And what about people who do not follow a religion, do their no religious belief systems get funded too? We shouldn't be doing any of this.

 

[Anonymous-]

Lol so you're basically just leeching off your parents weath and status, sorta like how dole bludgers do the same off your mummy's and daddy's tax money.

ive got a fucking job as well you stupid cunt face. Probably dont get payed as high as my parents since im fucking 20 but probably end up earning more than you ever will.

 

[Name_Taken]

Yes the official major religions, but these beliefs are completely equal with other more uncommon beliefs that do not get funded. It doesn't have to be a mainstream belief to be legitimate. And there are so many that it is ridiculous. And what about people who do not follow a religion, do their no religious belief systems get funded too? We shouldn't be doing any of this.

But athiests don't (as far as I know) conjugate regularly in sessions which resemble that of Churches.

If they do, and if they run similar community service programs like Churches do I don't see why they shouldn't get funding as well.

 

[Lukybear]

because a majority, no matter how large, should not be able to decide to have my wealth stolen from me and given to them with the use of force

And I absolutely agree with you. But it should be stolen as you say for public benefit? Since education "steals" money from the system for public benefit?

So it comes down to whether Churches, actually religious beliefs are benefitical to society? And i think they are and you think they dont.

I said, they are because they encourage social interaction and cultural diversity. They may grant happiness leading to improved productivity.

Now you say the Churches are not benefical to society for this this and that reason.

 

[Anonymous-]

If they do, and if they run similar community service programs like Churches do I don't see why they shouldn't get funding as well.

fuck atheists. why the fuck should i be funding atheists to congregate. they can find their own fucking joint and take care of themselves. are you people fucking daft?

 

[Lukybear]

Yes the official major religions, but these beliefs are completely equal with other more uncommon beliefs that do not get funded. It doesn't have to be a mainstream belief to be legitimate. And there are so many that it is ridiculous. And what about people who do not follow a religion, do their no religious belief systems get funded too? We shouldn't be doing any of this.

Well the people who have no belief systems have a sports club that is goverment funded.

If it is not recognised belief system, then it is not a beleif system. Jedisim should not be recognised, no? That arguement argues that the goverment cannnot make "good" decisions and dosent really deal with the issue. We can make this judgement of which belief system is offical and legist, fair via committes and etc. Thats no reason to stop funding of all religious insitutions all together.

But then again, this is a democracy. Public opinion justifies everything. Sweet liberty has costs.

 

[Name_Taken]

fuck atheists. why the fuck should i be funding atheists to congregate. they can find their own fucking joint and take care of themselves. are you people fucking daft?

Because we value humanity and looking out for one-another over money.

 

[SylviaB]

And I absolutely agree with you. But it should be stolen as you say for public benefit? Since education "steals" money from the system for public benefit?
So it comes down to whether Churches, actually religious beliefs are benefitical to society? And i think they are and you think they dont.
I said, they are because they encourage social interaction and cultural diversity. They may grant happiness leading to improved productivity.
Now you say the Churches are not benefical to society for this this and that reason.

I said I'm against publicly funded education for fucks sake

I'm just saying that it's infinitely more justified than church funding

 

[Kwayera]

It is not a belief. SCIENCE has shown that religion is vital for humanity.

Cite your sources if you're going to cite science, mate.

 

[SylviaB]

Because we value humanity and looking out for one-another over money.

WE VALUE HUMANITY

WITH THE USE OF FORCE


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[Anonymous-]

Cite your sources if you're going to cite science, mate.

the source is the holy bible. you cannot question it k m8

 

[Will Shakespear]

Cite your sources if you're going to cite science, mate.

"it's the vibe"

 

[Anonymous-]

Because we value humanity and looking out for one-another over money.

fuck your values.

Capitalism is my god.
freedom is my values.

fucking respect that

 

[Name_Taken]

WE VALUE HUMANITY

WITH THE USE OF FORCE


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Dude you're really a sick person if you value material possessions and personal wealth over and above the welfare and livlihood of others.

Over half the world's population lives on under $2 US a day, get some compassion and do your bit to make the world a better place for everyone.