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[Sadiah]

Imo when you're brought up and flooded with religious propaganda as an infant and it embeds itself in your developing brain, you're pretty much forced to follow a book. Free will is only partly true, the subconscious it a complex thing to understand.

No, that's not true.

I have a Hindu friend, and she converted to Islam.
I have a Christian friend, and she coverted to Islam.

Which means, when you grow up and are responsible for your own decisions, you discover other things that go beyond your realm - they did, and came to Islam, forgetting about what was forced [if it was] upon them when they were young.

 

[Omie Jay]

yeah i guess humanism, because i have morals (funnily enough)
also, lol?

Happy Human

lol wikipedia lol

aaaaaahahah i saw that pic! lol wat?

 

[Sadiah]

lol, pretty sure he was just giving an example

No, he clarified in another thread that he is an atheist who is against Islam only.

Whetehr he was being sarcastic is irrelevant, mate.

 

[Sadiah]

Definitions of humanism on the Web:

humanitarianism: the doctrine that people's duty is to promote human welfare
the doctrine emphasizing a person's capacity for self-realization through reason; rejects religion and the supernatural
the cultural movement of the Renaissance; based on classical studies
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

define:humanism - Google Search

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You gave an amalgamation of definitions there.
I'm referring to the one that's given in the initial post of this thread.

 

[fafaFOOO]

Secular humanism. I don't know if any superior being had any hand in creating the universe and I don't care one iota, all I know is that if there is a god the current religions have it completely wrong as they are utterly ridiculous, backward, harmful and don't have real answers for anything.

 

[x.christina]

aaaaaahahah i saw that pic! lol wat?

i wanna be a happy human lul
but yeah
im leaning towards humanism more than agnosticism just because of that wonderful image.

 

[zombie omie jay]

No, he clarified in another thread that he is an atheist who is against Islam only.

Whetehr he was being sarcastic is irrelevant, mate.

i was being facetious you moron

because you asked Riet if he was "atheist towards all religions, or just against islam and christianity" and that is a fucking oxymoron

you cannot be 'atheist' towards anything, and by definition, atheism is the belief that there is no god or supernatural

 

[Sadiah]

i was being facetious you moron

because you asked Riet if he was "atheist towards all religions, or just against islam and christianity" and that is a fucking oxymoron

you cannot be 'atheist' towards anything, and by definition, atheism is the belief that there is no god or supernatural

I don't think Scorch likes the term "belief".

I like saying atheism is the denial of every thing beyond living creatures.

 

[zombie omie jay]

well that is technically correct, belief is the wrong word

the position that there is no god
the rejection of belief in a god

etc

 

[Garygaz]

No, that's not true.

I have a Hindu friend, and she converted to Islam.
I have a Christian friend, and she coverted to Islam.

Which means, when you grow up and are responsible for your own decisions, you discover other things that go beyond your realm - they did, and came to Islam, forgetting about what was forced [if it was] upon them when they were young.

Using personal experience and less than a handful of examples doesn't prove it otherwise. You actually believe that people who have religion forced on them at a young age aren't more likely to have a blind faith/a belief and life style based around that religion? I'm surprised.

Do you think if some of the extremists who were brought up in oppressive countries, in poor neighbourhoods whose only thing to turn to was a holy scripture and a religious scholar, as opposed to any 3rd world country such as the US or Aus, they'd turn out the same way? Religion is manipulation. I'm not necessarily saying a particular religion is incorrect, but it's pretty blatant that that's what it is.

 

[Sadiah]

well that is technically correct, belief is the wrong word

the position that there is no god
the rejection of belief in a god

etc

ohh i see

 

[Sadiah]

Using personal experience and less than a handful of examples doesn't prove it otherwise. You actually believe that people who have religion forced on them at a young age aren't more likely to have a blind faith/a belief and life style based around that religion? I'm surprised.

Do you think if some of the extremists who were brought up in oppressive countries, in poor neighbourhoods whose only thing to turn to was a holy scripture and a religious scholar, as opposed to any 3rd world country such as the US or Aus, they'd turn out the same way? Religion is manipulation. I'm not necessarily saying a particular religion is incorrect, but it's pretty blatant that that's what it is.

You can't say any beleif is in correct. And in this ocntext, I won't say a religion is incorrect, and netiher would I say that atheism is incorrect.

It depends on every onez personal self, afterall.

And no, I didn't mean to imply that personal experience prevails over other examples. I was merely trying to say that what you were saying about having religion drilled into you at a young age and being rejective to other faiths because of that is not entirely correct.

 

[nutcracker]

I guess I would be somewhere between atheism and humanism.. I'd never actually heard of humanism either..can you still call yourself a.. 'humanist' if you believe in making life better for all beings, not just humans? Because I believe that all life is sacred - humans, ants, cats, birds, etc etc (and that's a Buddhist concept).

But I don't reject the fact that there may be things in the world (other realms with different kinds of beings, parallel universes etc) that science can't explain. My view is that science is simply not advanced enough to explain certain things in the world, but I do believe that scientific knowledge (whether known or unknown to people as of now) should be able to prove everything.

 

[Sadiah]

I guess I would be somewhere between atheism and humanism.. I'd never actually heard of humanism either..can you still call yourself a.. 'humanist' if you believe in making life better for all beings, not just humans? Because I believe that all life is sacred - humans, ants, cats, birds, etc etc (and that's a Buddhist concept).

But I don't reject the fact that there may be things in the world (other realms with different kinds of beings, parallel universes etc) that science can't explain. My view is that science is simply not advanced enough to explain certain things in the world, but I do believe that scientific knowledge (whether known or unknown to people as of now) should be able to prove everything.

Yer I agree with you. Science can't provide answers to all questions.

Yeah, you can be a humanist and be atheist, and you can be a humanist and be religious.

Funny how the poll results suggest otherwise.

 

[nutcracker]

Yer I agree with you. Science can't provide answers to all questions.

Yeah, you can be a humanist and be atheist, and you can be a humanist and be religious.

Funny how the poll results suggest otherwise.

Actually, I'm disagreeing with you lols =/
I'm saying that science can provide all the answers, it's just that humans are taking a long time to discover science. Like String Theory is a relatively new concept that's been discovered and still hasn't been proven yet, but it ties in heavily with what Buddha taught in India centuries ago.
But I think after reading some stuff (yeah, I have no life xD), whilst humanism overlaps with Buddhism on some aspects, it diverges from it in more than one respect, so I consider myself more of an athiest than a humanist.

 

[fafaFOOO]

It's a bad poll because the questions are too limited, atheism & agnosticism can both have humanist elements to them.

Better to just let people explain their beliefs.

 

[Sadiah]

It's a bad poll because the questions were too limited, atheism & agnosticism can both have humanist elements to them.

Better to just let people explain their beliefs.

No one's stopping them to explain their beleifs. =)

 

[Sadiah]

Actually, I'm disagreeing with you lols =/
I'm saying that science can provide all the answers, it's just that humans are taking a long time to discover science. Like String Theory is a relatively new concept that's been discovered and still hasn't been proven yet, but it ties in heavily with what Buddha taught in India centuries ago.
But I think after reading some stuff (yeah, I have no life xD), whilst humanism overlaps with Buddhism on some aspects, it diverges from it in more than one respect, so I consider myself more of an athiest than a humanist.

lol no worries, we're all entitled to our own opinions.

Nah, I think otherwise - Science is not the answer to everything.

Oh kk, so you're atheist and Buddhist <- lol, interesting juxtaposition.

I find that interesting because I agree with what the majority of the world says - Buddhism is a religion. =)

So, you're not a humanist? W0w.

 

[nutcracker]

Lols, it's not a juxtaposition!
If the definition of religion is the belief in an overpowering God that controls human destiny, then I guess the only reason Buddhism is considered a religion is just because it has a large group of people following it, enough to have it considered as a major belief. But in all other respects, it's just a philosophy/way of living life.

Humanism is a system of thought that focuses purely on human beings; it's centred around human interest and human values. Buddhism on the other hand promotes the welfare of all living beings, seen or unseen. I wouldn't consider myself humanist because I think Buddhism takes Humanism one step further. But that's just my view.

 

[Sadiah]

Lols, it's not a juxtaposition!
If the definition of religion is the belief in an overpowering God that controls human destiny, then I guess the only reason Buddhism is considered a religion is just because it has a large group of people following it, enough to have it considered as a major belief. But in all other respects, it's just a philosophy/way of living life.

Humanism is a system of thought that focuses purely on human beings; it's centred around human interest and human values. Buddhism on the other hand promotes the welfare of all living beings, seen or unseen. I wouldn't consider myself humanist because I think Buddhism takes Humanism one step further. But that's just my view.

It is, mate.

No, your definition of religion is incorrect, because not all religions believe in a God.
But human interest is also in religion, in something supernatural, eternal, outside the square - you can't argue against this.

I'm not saying all humans are interested in it, but there are a lot of people who are.