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Yes- I work in Financial Services audit within a Big4 firm. I personally started in a different group within Assurance which specialised in services (e.g. transportation/logistics, property, government) but moved to FS after a year.
i have heard rumours that FS at a cadet stage dosnt allow alot of client time and is more demanding than other client groups? at a big 4 firm is it quite easy to move around thse different sub-divisions?
 

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i have heard rumours that FS at a cadet stage dosnt allow alot of client time and is more demanding than other client groups? at a big 4 firm is it quite easy to move around thse different sub-divisions?
I'm not sure if I understand your question correctly but at least in my experience, FS has a lot of client time... as do all the audit departments really. It'll vary from client to client but expect to be at the client site and client-facing for at least 75% of your time.

In terms of moving around, I personally moved around and it's a lot easier at junior levels as long as you put your hand up and ask for it. You gotta get the wheels in motion early on if you want something to happen because your division will need to make necessary arrangements (e.g. find alternate staff to do the work).
 

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Sorry to hijack the thread but, I was wondering which sub-division generally has the least travelling to clients? (Like maybe most are located inner-city or inner-suburban locations)
 

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Sorry to hijack the thread but, I was wondering which sub-division generally has the least travelling to clients? (Like maybe most are located inner-city or inner-suburban locations)
Definitely financial services (FS).
 

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Anyone know whether RSM Bird Cameron has had their interviews yet??

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Anyone on here been offered any cadetships yet and with what firm's?
 

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out of curiosity anyone know the number of cadetships offered by PwC, E &Y, KPMG respectively?
 

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I remember the HR said PWC offers 60ish positions across all the differen areas- but then they look for quality over quantity..
I believe most/all the positions for the big 4 have probably been offered, seeing EY and PWC are having their celebratory dinner (or so my friends tell me).
Btw, does anyone know if reserve positions as are given for cadetships?
 

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If there's a need for top ups/additional recruitment, they may try to fill it with other levels (e.g. interns/grads) during the next campaign. Alternatively they may just offer some positions to 1st year uni students next year as it wouldn't make much difference (seeing that a lot of firms don't start FT work in 1st sem anyway).
 

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Just wondering what happens after the cadetship is completed? Do the cadets start at the same place as graduates in the org? Silly question, but just curious.

Is it possible or common for cadets to be promoted into higher positions (eg intermediate accountant) while on their cadetships if they're able to demonstrate good performance?
 

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hey guys

ive got offers at Ernst & Young, PKF, Moore Stephens, Clark & Jacobs, UTS BAcc and Grant Thornton. I think most of the other firms have made offers cause i didnt attend many interviews.

i wanted to ask if anyone knew what position cadets start at when they finish their degree? accountant or senior accountant?
 

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hey guys

ive got offers at Ernst & Young, PKF, Moore Stephens, Clark & Jacobs, UTS BAcc and Grant Thornton. I think most of the other firms have made offers cause i didnt attend many interviews.

i wanted to ask if anyone knew what position cadets start at when they finish their degree? accountant or senior accountant?
dude were you at the UTS BAcc on wednesday, 2:20 time?
 

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i wanted to ask if anyone knew what position cadets start at when they finish their degree? accountant or senior accountant?
Depends on the firm. Also keep in mind the title means different things at different firms!

Some firms have returning cadets automatically promoted to senior (e.g. KPMG)- that is, their 2 years as an undergrad are equivalent to 2 years as a grad.

Some firms have returning cadets start off as an experienced graduate aka accountant (i.e. a uni graduate with 1-1.5 years experience). From these experienced grads, some will be promoted to senior in 6 months, some in 1 year. Again, depending on the firm and individual performance.

One thing I'd add though is that even though the title differs, the work and the "experienced grad" salary doesn't vary much between the firms. In my experience from my friends I'd say firms which require you to prove yourself to become a senior and don't give it out as easily tend to pay better though at that level than those which automatically promote to senior based on time/experience.

Also note some firms pay bonuses (depending on performance) and offer ratings incentives to trainees (i.e. if you perform better than your peers or demonstrate that you've gone above and beyond- e.g. extra curricular activities within the firm) then you may be eligible. These wont' be huge but it's the recognition which makes you feel all good inside :)

Just wondering what happens after the cadetship is completed? Do the cadets start at the same place as graduates in the org? Silly question, but just curious.

Is it possible or common for cadets to be promoted into higher positions (eg intermediate accountant) while on their cadetships if they're able to demonstrate good performance?
Returning cadets are always starting above a normal graduate as far as I know. Considering the time invested in their training/development plus the experience, I don't think I've ever heard of a case where a returning cadet started at ground level.

Your second Q... It's not the norm but I can think of people even within my own firm which have been promoted to graduate accountant even when they were still in uni. Whilst all the Big4 have clear structured career progression, there will always be exceptional people who go around this and accelerate up just a bit faster than the rest. If you had elected to take on additional work (e.g. casual contracts) whilst you were back at FT uni, this too could be taken into account in determining whether or not you were able to be fast tracked for promotion.
 

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a dumb question, but to join a graduate program do you have to be straight out of uni, or can you work somewhere for 2 years (mid-tier) then join a big 4 graduate program?
 

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a dumb question, but to join a graduate program do you have to be straight out of uni, or can you work somewhere for 2 years (mid-tier) then join a big 4 graduate program?
Anyone can apply- you don't have to be a "fresh" graduate.

Usually if you've got experience elsewhere you'd rather enter through a lateral hire program depending on your experience. After all, if you've got experience in the relevant field (e.g. auditing) then the fundamental concepts are still going to be the same so usually your previous experience will be recognised. This is something which will need to be discussed directly with HR though. Also in some instances your "title" may go down (or up) so again this is a discussion point.
 

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I noticed big 4 have about 5k staff, but recruit about 350-500 grads each year. Do alot of the accounting firms have large turnover?
 

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I noticed big 4 have about 5k staff, but recruit about 350-500 grads each year. Do alot of the accounting firms have large turnover?
Those would be national numbers and yes there is some turnover as people move into other divisions, go on secondments, or make the jump to the commercial sector. That, and business is continuously growing in line with economic growth which means we always need extra hands to help get the work done.
 

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