MedVision ad

Indigenous Suicide (2 Viewers)

boris

Banned
Joined
May 6, 2004
Messages
4,671
Gender
Male
HSC
2007
http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-silent-tragedy-of-profound-loss-20120418-1x7ri.html

Amid the west's mining boom, indigenous communities face losing a generation.

It came without warning, triggered by something as trivial as a teenage boy demanding that his brother hand over his mobile phone. It was the 16-year-old's birthday and he was celebrating by drinking steadily all day, as he did most days. The tiff, really nothing more than a simple squabble between brothers, ended in the early hours of the next morning when the darkest of impulses overwhelmed the child.

An eight-year-old girl raised the alarm. She had seen the boy's lifeless body hanging from a tree behind the church in the abandoned playground. After several hours police and emergency services arrived, conducted a brief investigation and had the body removed.

As the sun climbed into the sky, scores of children looked on in silence. Witnesses said the grieving and sobbing rolled through the tiny community of Mowanjum like a thick black cloud. In this one small place, just a 10-minute drive from the thriving mining hub of Derby in the West Kimberley, there have been six suicides in six months.
Advertisement: Story continues below
Heather Umbagai 58, whose son commited suicide.

"When I was young it was a peaceful time" ... Heather Umbagai lost her son Radki to suicide. Photo: Glenn Campbell

Gary Umbagai, the chairman of the Mowanjum Aboriginal Corporation, and a mine worker, despairs about the rising death toll and community dysfunction. “There is something dreadfully wrong in our community, but what can we do?” He adds that Mowanjum and Derby have the highest youth suicide rates in Australia, possibly the world. “There is a terrible crisis here but nobody in authority except the police acts as if there is a crisis.”

The Herald visited Mowanjum this month with the permission of the traditional owners and after being alerted to the community's desperate plight by health workers troubled by what they believe is chronic official indifference.

In January, a 20-year-old surrendered his life after his partner locked him out because he was drunk and violent. In March, a 44-year-old newly unemployed mine worker hanged himself. In yet another incident, a young girl vanished into the bush only to be found days later, also the victim of an apparent uncontrollable impulse after a relationship went wrong.
Mowanjum community leader Gary Umbagai at the gates of the town

Gary Umbagai says there is something dreadfully wrong in his community. Photo: Glenn Campbell

Heather Umbagai, 57, Gary Umbagai's Worra Worra mother who lost her other son Radki to suicide, says that during her childhood on the mission there was far more interaction with the bush. “When I was young it was a peaceful time. We grew up with a solid education even though we had been moved off our traditional land.”

That changed about 12 years ago when chronic drinking took hold. That led to a breakdown in traditional authority and culture. Today, she says young people are not much interested in ceremony and the Dreaming. They slip into a culture of substance abuse at the expense of education. Drinking and teenage motherhood have also compromised good parenting. “Young people have freedom of movement and old folks are afraid to discipline them because they fear they will go and commit suicide.”

A proud, perceptive woman, she says when her son took his life five years ago after he was refused the keys to the family car because he was drunk and unlicensed, a big sadness and depression followed. Her health declined, renal failure set in.

“I never had any counselling of any kind. Mental health authorities did not come out, government services did not come out. I know because I was one of the victims.”

Mrs Umbagai decided to speak to the Herald so authorities could grasp the acute trauma that has taken hold and the Mr Umbagai says he has lost count of attempted suicides. A document obtained by the Herald reveals that in four months from July last year, 18 females and 22 males were admitted to Derby hospital for self-harm, attempted hanging, overdosing and suicidal thoughts. Most cases involved indigenous people and excessive alcohol consumption. The number of young Aboriginal people taking their lives may be higher as some deaths, such as a recent road fatality, have been classified as accidental.

In Mowanjum signs of trauma are everywhere. After each incident trees are cut down at the request of the victim's families, who don't wish to be reminded of tragedy and fear “copycat” behaviour. The small community is littered with hacked tree trunks. One young man is openly referred to as “the hangman” because of the scars around his neck. A young girl who tried to take her life on Saturday – her latest of many attempts – is watched closely. “We are deeply worried about her,” an elderly mother confided. “It is a miracle she is alive but we cannot watch her all the time.”

Mowanjum is the epicentre of an extraordinary spike in indigenous suicides across the Kimberley. In the past 12 months there have been 25 in the region – 21 in the west around Derby and Mowanjum. The number of “completed” indigenous suicides last year exceeded the number of Australian Defence Force fatalities in Afghanistan. In NSW, which has the largest indigenous population, the youth suicide rate is one in 100,000. In the Northern Territory, where a parliamentary inquiry was set up to investigate the causes of and responses to youth suicide, the rate is 30 deaths in 100,000. In the Kimberley, with an Aboriginal population of about 16,000, the estimated rate is an astonishing and unprecedented one death in 1200.

Mr Umbagai worries about the impact of profound trauma on his community of only 350. “Police come and investigate, that is their job. It takes a long time before the body is handed over to the ambulance. Kids hear the commotion. Everybody is distressed and crying. We have kids five and six witnessing these events and you worry what effect it is having on them.

“Kids grow up thinking this is normal and that any little problem can be solved this way. There is virtually no grief counselling, nobody comes to investigate why this is happening in Mowanjum. So much money is being spent on suicide prevention in the Kimberley but we don't see it. I don't think bureaucrats in Perth or Canberra understand how bad it is – what we are facing.”

Despite the deaths, no effective suicide prevention strategy has been put in place in Mowanjum. Steven Austin, the chief executive of the community, notes that the West Australian government is spending $150million on a new Derby jail while the federal government spends millions more annually maintaining the Curtin Immigration Detention Centre nearby. “We have made applications for a youth co-ordinator to keep kids occupied with programs but they have all been rejected. We get back a generic letter saying we don't meet the criteria. We get no help.”

Mr Austin says the applications for funding were made to Victims of Crime WA and to the federal Department of Families, Housing, Community Services and Indigenous Affairs without success. “It is as if the bureaucrats don't have any idea of what we are up against.

"I wrote to Jenny Macklin [the Indigenous Affairs Minister] when we lost our [community development employment projects] and her office did not acknowledge our letter.”

According to the community council, savage cuts to CDEP programs in 2009 coincided with the wave of suicides. Mr Austin says the number of people employed fell from 140 to about 30. All attempts to have funding restored, including a direct appeal to Ms Macklin and to the Derby Indigenous Co-ordination Centre have failed.

Mr Umbagai says the lack of a positive response has left families feeling haunted and fearful. Some even believe the community has been cursed but he says the underlying reasons are all too apparent. “When they took away our CDEP, more people started drinking. In every death the victim has been intoxicated. Our community is supposed to be dry but we cannot enforce the ban. The WA government took away our authority to run night patrols. The police do their best but they cannot be here all the time.”

Zoe Evans, the co-ordinator of the Standby Suicide Response Service in based in Broome knows Mowanjum and its people and has friends in the community. She says her team visits every community immediately after a suicide to give counselling and support and organise activities. But she says counselling is not always possible because people are grieving and want to be alone.

Although the service is funded by the federal Department of Health it is a shoe-string operation with two full-time workers to cover an area the size of a small European country. With attempted suicides occurring sometimes daily and vast distances to cover, the service has little capacity to develop preventive programs.

In Mowanjum children start drinking from as young as 11. On any evening cars driven by older men and loaded with under-age drinkers head for Derby to pick up nightly reserves of grog, often bought under the counter from unscrupulous traders for $150 a slab.

Mr Umbagai says alcohol abuse leaves children going without and begging food from relatives. In the homes of drinkers, children get little sleep and find it hard to attend school regularly. He is surprised that child protection services are not more vigilant when it is obvious children are being abused and neglected.

There appears to be no shortage of programs or money to address suicide in the Kimberley yet the deaths keep coming. In 2006 there were 13 deaths in 13 months at Fitzroy Crossing.

Wes Morris, the co-ordinator of the Kimberley Law and Culture Centre, says there have been two key coronial investigations into suicide, the latest being one in 2008 into 22 deaths at Balgo. He says the findings of Alastair Hope, who made a scathing assessment of the performance of departments and agencies providing services to disadvantaged communities, have been largely ignored. Mr Hope found the system of providing funds for Aboriginal programs was “seriously flawed” and agencies were not monitored or audited despite a failure to curb suicide.

Mr Morris doubts that the multimillion-dollar regional partnership agreement between the federal and WA governments will have any real impact on the suicide rate. As for the new $30million mental health facility in Broome, a two-hour drive from Mowanjum, he questions its effectiveness because the “causes of indigenous suicide are culturally based” and not necessarily linked to mental wellbeing.

For Mrs Umbagai the pain of her son's suicide is undiminished. She wonders what she could have done to prevent it. “I remember it like it was yesterday. He said 'Alright Mum, I will see you in the resurrection.' That was his last words to me.

“I should have followed him. I should never have let him go and do that thing. Kids today are doing more daring things than kids of other generations. Sometimes you wonder if they are looking for attention. Sometimes you wonder what was lacking in their lives. But no matter which way you look at it, alcohol is always involved.

“In Mowanjum we try to comfort each other, because there is nobody else. For three years I was like a zombie – there was nobody to help me through the grief.”
 

boris

Banned
Joined
May 6, 2004
Messages
4,671
Gender
Male
HSC
2007
1 in 1200 is pretty high

highest in the world
 

boris

Banned
Joined
May 6, 2004
Messages
4,671
Gender
Male
HSC
2007
8 times more chance of killing yourself if you live in derby
than getting killed in afghanistan (as a civilian)
 

Dash8

Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2012
Messages
127
Gender
Male
HSC
2012
I used to live on a remote mining community in the Northern Territory were there was a large population of indigenous people. My mum worker at an aboriginal health facility. From what we saw, there is no simple solution to their problems. It's seems as if they are half way between being civilized and still living in the bush.

I remember the government built them a whole lot of free housing. They would move in, rip out all the walls and then use them to make a fire in the front yard to cook the fish they just caught.

They just can't handle modern society. My mum attempted to train an aboriginal lady in doing simple office work but she just wasn't capable of it. I honestly think that their brains are not as evolved as other races of people.

It's a very unfortunate situation and I don't think much can be done to help them. Hopefully over time they will learn to adapt to modern society.
 

Annihilist

Member
Joined
Mar 28, 2012
Messages
449
Location
Byron Bay
Gender
Male
HSC
2012
Suicide is not the problem. Suicide is the reaction to the problem.

From what I can tell we have third-world living conditions right here in Australia. I don't know much about the politics and technical sides of this issue, so I don't really know what can be done here.

But I would see the main problem as being an unstable society in these particular regions. Lack of education, lack of opportunities, and irresponsible parents. And it becomes a generational cycle, so it's ongoing. Lack of good education and opportunities in the community leads to depression and substance abuse, then they either kill themselves or raise children irresponsibly, bringing their children up in similar circumstances that they did. Rinse and repeat.

I think what we need is better infrastructure. We need to integrate the remote aboriginal communities with the rest of Australia, put people in schools and jobs so they can grow up with secure livelihoods and lifestyles. They become part of a community with greater awareness and greater public knowledge, and therefore greater support.

Give them a reason to stay alive, because right now I'm sure they don't see one.
 

boris

Banned
Joined
May 6, 2004
Messages
4,671
Gender
Male
HSC
2007
does anyone really have a reason
to stay alive
 

Annihilist

Member
Joined
Mar 28, 2012
Messages
449
Location
Byron Bay
Gender
Male
HSC
2012
I used to live on a remote mining community in the Northern Territory were there was a large population of indigenous people. My mum worker at an aboriginal health facility. From what we saw, there is no simple solution to their problems. It's seems as if they are half way between being civilized and still living in the bush.

I remember the government built them a whole lot of free housing. They would move in, rip out all the walls and then use them to make a fire in the front yard to cook the fish they just caught.

They just can't handle modern society. My mum attempted to train an aboriginal lady in doing simple office work but she just wasn't capable of it. I honestly think that their brains are not as evolved as other races of people.

It's a very unfortunate situation and I don't think much can be done to help them. Hopefully over time they will learn to adapt to modern society.
They cannot adapt without proper education. They've already grown up in another society - their minds have been moulded.

You know what's ironic is that to me it seems the best course of action would be to put children from such communities into foster homes so they can grow up and go to school and integrate. This, of course, would not be to dissimilar to what we now recognise as "the stolen generation", and would not go down too well with Australians today. But what else can be done to break this inevitably infinite generational cycle? We cannot integrate people who have already grown up in a foreign society, and are unfamiliar with our way of life.

I don't want to take kids from their families and I don't think it's right. But from what I can tell it is the only practical solution to this problem. The only way that they can properly adapt and integrate to our society is if they grow up in it from day one. Otherwise, to me it seems the result is predictable. Kids will grow up with shit lives, get drunk (because what else is there?), raise children with shit lives who will grow up and have more kids and so on.

Additionally, it won't fix the problem. Just slow it down. I don't advocate a repeat of the stolen generation, but I think it's something to consider.
 

boris

Banned
Joined
May 6, 2004
Messages
4,671
Gender
Male
HSC
2007
I used to live on a remote mining community in the Northern Territory were there was a large population of indigenous people. My mum worker at an aboriginal health facility. From what we saw, there is no simple solution to their problems. It's seems as if they are half way between being civilized and still living in the bush.

I remember the government built them a whole lot of free housing. They would move in, rip out all the walls and then use them to make a fire in the front yard to cook the fish they just caught.

They just can't handle modern society. My mum attempted to train an aboriginal lady in doing simple office work but she just wasn't capable of it. I honestly think that their brains are not as evolved as other races of people.

It's a very unfortunate situation and I don't think much can be done to help them. Hopefully over time they will learn to adapt to modern society.
not having any sort of formal education renders you unable to do simple office work imagine that
 

Annihilist

Member
Joined
Mar 28, 2012
Messages
449
Location
Byron Bay
Gender
Male
HSC
2012
does anyone really have a reason
to stay alive
This is a philosophical question on much broader terms than what we are talking about now, and is therefore irrelevant. We could derail this thread by answering this question, or we could ignore it and save it for another time.
 

Dash8

Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2012
Messages
127
Gender
Male
HSC
2012
They cannot adapt without proper education. They've already grown up in another society - their minds have been moulded.

You know what's ironic is that to me it seems the best course of action would be to put children from such communities into foster homes so they can grow up and go to school and integrate. This, of course, would not be to dissimilar to what we now recognise as "the stolen generation", and would not go down too well with Australians today. But what else can be done to break this inevitably infinite generational cycle? We cannot integrate people who have already grown up in a foreign society, and are unfamiliar with our way of life.

I don't want to take kids from their families and I don't think it's right. But from what I can tell it is the only practical solution to this problem. The only way that they can properly adapt and integrate to our society is if they grow up in it from day one. Otherwise, to me it seems the result is predictable. Kids will grow up with shit lives, get drunk (because what else is there?), raise children with shit lives who will grow up and have more kids and so on.

Additionally, it won't fix the problem. Just slow it down. I don't advocate a repeat of the stolen generation, but I think it's something to consider.
Exactly. Its a vicious circle and the only way to fix it is by taking children away from irresponsible parents. There was a case where I lived where an 8 month old baby was found crawling across an 80km/h road about 200 metres from its home. A taxi driver found it. Meanwhile, the parents were were drunk in the house. If this had been a white family, the baby would have been taken away immediately, but in this case, it was returned to its parents.
 

Dash8

Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2012
Messages
127
Gender
Male
HSC
2012
not having any sort of formal education renders you unable to do simple office work imagine that
There is perfectly good education opportunities available to aboriginal children even in remote communities but because of religious beliefs and their parents, the children never go to school. The schools try to entice the children with free lunches and laptops but it still doesn't work. At my school of around 300 children, there was probably 5 indigenous students.
 

soloooooo

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 13, 2012
Messages
3,311
Gender
Female
HSC
N/A
why dont they just get jobs?
It would be harder than for most people I imagine. If I was hiring people it is unlikely i would hire someone who is Indigenous unless they were exceptional and tertiary educated OR we needed to hire someone Indigenous to meet a work force target (i.e. in government).

It's seems as if they are half way between being civilized and still living in the bush.
This is the problem. The so called 'stolen generation' did not go far enough and simialr polices should be applied today. i am not saying that children should be taken from their parents although that more support should be provided to the families and the families forced to leave woop-woop rural Australia where services and jobs are non existent.

I remember the government built them a whole lot of free housing. They would move in, rip out all the walls and then use them to make a fire in the front yard to cook the fish they just caught.
Welfare destruction such as this must be made a serious crime. You can't cut off these peoples benefits as then they would starve/break and enter/rob, although you can send them to jail.
 

soloooooo

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 13, 2012
Messages
3,311
Gender
Female
HSC
N/A
But I would see the main problem as being an unstable society in these particular regions. Lack of education, lack of opportunities, and irresponsible parents. And it becomes a generational cycle, so it's ongoing. Lack of good education and opportunities in the community leads to depression and substance abuse, then they either kill themselves or raise children irresponsibly, bringing their children up in similar circumstances that they did. Rinse and repeat.
Most (not all) indigenous parents are a disgrace from what I have seen while their children are brats. If the parents can't do a half decent bottom of the barrel effort at raising the children then the children should be placed into foster care. More tolerance should not be given just because they are Indigenous.

I think what we need is better infrastructure. We need to integrate the remote aboriginal communities with the rest of Australia, put people in schools and jobs so they can grow up with secure livelihoods and lifestyles. They become part of a community with greater awareness and greater public knowledge, and therefore greater support.
If by 'integrate' then you mean tell them to move to towns of > 1000 people or more, then yes. If they want to live in a shanty in the middle of the Simpson Desert then their welfare payments should be cut until they move to an area where they have a more realistic chance of finding meaningful work. If they then cannot support their children the children are taken away until the parents are fit to do so.
 

soloooooo

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 13, 2012
Messages
3,311
Gender
Female
HSC
N/A
They cannot adapt without proper education. They've already grown up in another society - their minds have been moulded.
By the time Indigenous children start primary school (5/6) I would argue that the problem is already too late to be fixed.

You know what's ironic is that to me it seems the best course of action would be to put children from such communities into foster homes so they can grow up and go to school and integrate. This, of course, would not be to dissimilar to what we now recognise as "the stolen generation", and would not go down too well with Australians today. But what else can be done to break this inevitably infinite generational cycle? We cannot integrate people who have already grown up in a foreign society, and are unfamiliar with our way of life.
This is what is necessary ultimately for real change. I think most Australians would support it provided it is not a universal blanket policy. I am sure there are good Indigenous families out there where both parents hold stable jobs and raise well mannered children, althoghu those families would be in the vast minority.
 

soloooooo

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 13, 2012
Messages
3,311
Gender
Female
HSC
N/A
There is perfectly good education opportunities available to aboriginal children even in remote communities but because of religious beliefs and their parents, the children never go to school. The schools try to entice the children with free lunches and laptops but it still doesn't work. At my school of around 300 children, there was probably 5 indigenous students.
In Australia if you are Indigenous many more opportunities and support are thrown to you by the government. However there is little to no evidence to suggests it is having any long term effect. At some point we have to question whether they should in fact receive any additional benefits to anyone who is of any other race. If people want to change their life they have to be willing to do so.
 

mirakon

nigga
Joined
Sep 18, 2009
Messages
4,221
Gender
Male
HSC
2011
Suicide is not the problem. Suicide is the reaction to the problem.

From what I can tell we have third-world living conditions right here in Australia. I don't know much about the politics and technical sides of this issue, so I don't really know what can be done here.

But I would see the main problem as being an unstable society in these particular regions. Lack of education, lack of opportunities, and irresponsible parents. And it becomes a generational cycle, so it's ongoing. Lack of good education and opportunities in the community leads to depression and substance abuse, then they either kill themselves or raise children irresponsibly, bringing their children up in similar circumstances that they did. Rinse and repeat.

I think what we need is better infrastructure. We need to integrate the remote aboriginal communities with the rest of Australia, put people in schools and jobs so they can grow up with secure livelihoods and lifestyles. They become part of a community with greater awareness and greater public knowledge, and therefore greater support.

Give them a reason to stay alive, because right now I'm sure they don't see one.
But do the aboriginal communities themselves want to be integrated?
 

Annihilist

Member
Joined
Mar 28, 2012
Messages
449
Location
Byron Bay
Gender
Male
HSC
2012
But do the aboriginal communities themselves want to be integrated?
Do they want their kids to grow up in a depressing third-world community within a very privileged nation, and continue to be influenced by alcoholic elders and eventually commit suicide?

If they are complaining about the suicide rate they have no choice.
 

soloooooo

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 13, 2012
Messages
3,311
Gender
Female
HSC
N/A
But do the aboriginal communities themselves want to be integrated?
That is almost irrelevant. Unless they have jobs and can raise their families above the poverty line without significant welfare support then they have little to no say in it.
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 2)

Top