Do most schools have people who leave 40-30 minutes early? (1 Viewer)

[Shadowdude]

Sophie, I used to think your way. "Oh, they're smart - they must have no social skills".


And then I went on a camp for uni, and everyone there had an ATAR of at least 95+. Because it was for a degree program that pretty much had a cut-off around 95 or higher.

Now, because of the umm... interesting things that happened on that camp - such as dislocated kneecaps, underage drinking and god-only-knows-what in the cabins - they never held that camp again.


Some people were... very social, shall we say. Though of course you had the stereotype - I remember walking into the mess hall and you had about 50 students gulping alcohol and dancing to extremely loud music, and then on the side of the room where there was a bit of light - you had people playing Connect Four, or studying for their upcoming Calculus test.

I would know, because I studied with them

(and then got pulled in to dance, but that's a different story)

 

[enoilgam]

The topic of conversation in this thread has deviated a bit from the OP, although I am willing to give it some latitude as this is an interesting discussion. However, I will lock the thread if things start getting to heated or personal.

 

[soloooooo]

Sophie, I used to think your way. "Oh, they're smart - they must have no social skills".


And then I went on a camp for uni, and everyone there had an ATAR of at least 95+. Because it was for a degree program that pretty much had a cut-off around 95 or higher.

Seriously? You are a poor example for your argument.

 

[Shadowdude]

Seriously? I met you once and that told me all I needed to know.

no you didn't

stop being silly

 

[sophieeaton]

Shadowdude, I never said by default you couldn't have social skills if you were intelligent?

Some of the most intelligent people I know have fantastic social skills....but the majority of intelligent people I know don't.

I think it all comes down to your definition of social skills. To me a sociable person has to be able to (and be comfortable with) interacting with anyone they meet, whether they're talking to a tradie or Steven Hawking.
To me your anecdote about a camp where everyone is generally extremely bright isn't relevant for that reason....if one of the people there was suddenly plonked on a construction site, for the sake of an example, how do you think they'd hold up?

 

[Sy123]

Sophie, I used to think your way. "Oh, they're smart - they must have no social skills".


And then I went on a camp for uni, and everyone there had an ATAR of at least 95+. Because it was for a degree program that pretty much had a cut-off around 95 or higher.

Now, because of the umm... interesting things that happened on that camp - such as dislocated kneecaps, underage drinking and god-only-knows-what in the cabins - they never held that camp again.


Some people were... very social, shall we say. Though of course you had the stereotype - I remember walking into the mess hall and you had about 50 students gulping alcohol and dancing to extremely loud music, and then on the side of the room where there was a bit of light - you had people playing Connect Four, or studying for their upcoming Calculus test.

I would know, because I studied with them

(and then got pulled in to dance, but that's a different story)

Just because you are overtly-social does not mean you succeed in life.

There is a difference between someone who is not as social as other people yet have life skills, and people who are very social but lack all the common sense to do anything even remotely successful with their lives.

To be honest I would rather be more closed in yet have an idea of what is going on, and I am able to talk to people and such, then be able to act like a hooligan all for the sake of being 'social'
I simply do not like the idea that being social means you have to go out binging and clubbing and whatnot, freaking ridiculous.

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sophieatton simply does not know what they are talking about really. They even made me laugh on an occasion at its ridiculousness.

 

[barbernator]

Shadowdude, I never said by default you couldn't have social skills if you were intelligent?

Some of the most intelligent people I know have fantastic social skills....but the majority of intelligent people I know don't.

I think it all comes down to your definition of social skills. To me a sociable person has to be able to (and be comfortable with) interacting with anyone they meet, whether they're talking to a tradie or Steven Hawking.
To me your anecdote about a camp where everyone is generally extremely bright isn't relevant for that reason....if one of the people there was suddenly plonked on a construction site, for the sake of an example, how do you think they'd hold up?

How would the construction worker hold up if they were dumped in an office of doctors? it goes both ways.

 

[Sy123]

Shadowdude, I never said by default you couldn't have social skills if you were intelligent?

Some of the most intelligent people I know have fantastic social skills....but the majority of intelligent people I know don't.

I think it all comes down to your definition of social skills. To me a sociable person has to be able to (and be comfortable with) interacting with anyone they meet, whether they're talking to a tradie or Steven Hawking.
To me your anecdote about a camp where everyone is generally extremely bright isn't relevant for that reason....if one of the people there was suddenly plonked on a construction site, for the sake of an example, how do you think they'd hold up?

Now lets establish the need that in order to for two people to be sociable, then they must be both social right?

You say that most intelligent people you meet are non-sociable. I say most intelligent people I meet are sociable

Hence, I can make the conclusion that since you do not find as many people sociable as I do, hence less people are able to relate with you, hence you are less sociable since sociability is a TWO way street.

Hence I can easily say that you are not as social as I am because you find less people from a given sample space sociable.
Hence you have no right to judge which people are sociable, and which are not since you are not as sociable given your tendencies to not be able to relate within a given sample space of people

Hence your argument is invalid

Q.E.D

 

[soloooooo]

How would the construction worker hold up if they were dumped in an office of doctors? it goes both ways.

No it doesn't. You are missing the point entirely.

 

[sophieeaton]

In regards to the bell curve.... majority of a population has average intelligence, and at either extreme a smaller portion of the population has either an exceptionally high IQ and exceptionally low IQ.

I'd imagine the pattern would be the same for social competency.

Chances of someone scoring highly for both characteristics would be statistically rarer than scoring highly for one of the two. I don't really see what's illogical about that.

 

[Kiraken]

look how social we all are, arguing on the interwebz

 

[someth1ng]

I believe that there is NO CORRELATION between sociable people and achievement. Simple as that.

In fact, I believe low achievers MAY have high tendency to be unsociable because a lot of them simply don't try and can't control themselves.

 

[barbernator]

No it doesn't. You are missing the point entirely.

are you mentally deranged?

 

[soloooooo]

are you mentally deranged?

No.

 

[2xL]

There are so many generalisations....

Going out instead of studying doesn't automatically mean you have good social skills.
Playing sport doesn't automatically mean you have good social skills.
Being bright doesn't automatically translate to great marks and vice versa.
Bad marks don't automatically mean you're more sociable/not bright.
And so on....

The only thing that is certain is the bell curve....people who are extremely naturally bright and so most likely excel whilst also having innate charisma and the capacity for good social skills etc are relatively rare. Those people are the ones who generally get first pick for jobs.

Therefore the majority (but obviously not all) people who get 95+ because they're bright are going to lack social skills others have. That's the only conclusion we can really make.

No. Just no. Did you really type that out? "The only conclusion we can make is that majority of people who get 95+ lack social skills" ? What the flying fuck?

 

[2xL]

I believe that there is NO CORRELATION between sociable people and achievement. Simple as that.

In fact, I believe low achievers MAY have high tendency to be unsociable because a lot of them simply don't try and can't control themselves.

Well thank the lord for some common sense around here.

 

[sophieeaton]

I'm basing my perception of their social competency not really on how they've interacted with me but with, for example, the school cohort as a whole. How well they can interact with a diverse range of people.

 

[Kiraken]

In regards to the bell curve.... majority of a population has average intelligence, and at either extreme a smaller portion of the population has either an exceptionally high IQ and exceptionally low IQ.

I'd imagine the pattern would be the same for social competency.

Chances of someone scoring highly for both characteristics would be statistically rarer than scoring highly for one of the two. I don't really see what's illogical about that.

how do you even measure social competency.

Some people are introverted, some are extroverted. Some prefer a small group of close friends, others prefer a large group of friends. How do you measure which one is more "competent" really?

I mean you can distinguish between some people but really there is a pretty massive grey line

 

[2xL]

In regards to the bell curve.... majority of a population has average intelligence, and at either extreme a smaller portion of the population has either an exceptionally high IQ and exceptionally low IQ.

I'd imagine the pattern would be the same for social competency.

Chances of someone scoring highly for both characteristics would be statistically rarer than scoring highly for one of the two. I don't really see what's illogical about that.

Maybe because the PATTERN IS NOT THE SAME FOR SOCIAL COMPETENCY? THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE SOCIAL? COS HUMANS ARE SOCIAL CREATURES? FUCK.

 

[sophieeaton]

I said but obviously not all?