Why are there so few good universities in Australia? (1 Viewer)

[matthewjems1]

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[LoveHateSchool]

I'm about to begin year 11 (VCE) this year which means it's time for me to start thinking about what field interests me and what university I want to go to. But this being said, I'm running out of good universities to look in to. I live in Victoria, Australia. The only 2 good universities here are Monash University and of course the University of Melbourne. RMIT, Deakin, La Trobe, Victoria University etc I don't really consider universities because of their low standards to get in to, and I've never really seen them in lists for most successful graduates, best university institutions etc (nationally or globally). I wouldn't mind going to Australian National University, because like Monash and UniMelb, it is also a globally recognized university. I'm interested in science, especially health/medicine.
So I ask you:
1. Why aren't there enough good universities in Australia?
2. What other universities should I look in to?

Lol Australia has a good crop of unis imho (Go8) if you look at the league tables, but I do understand where you are coming from with your analysis. Umelb, monash and ANU are all super strong options. UMELB and ANU in particular for biological science/health/grad medicine. The other universities have strong points, it's really about going to the uni that has the best course for you.

I almost went to Umelb actually. If you are looking for health/medicine, you'd most likely study B of Biomedicine, which is a ver yhigh demand course there, I'm sure you are conversant with the Melbourne model, as it was the first uni to bring in a more American style model and UWA has followed. It's rank has climbed since it's introduction, it's in the top 20 now?

Visit all the open days and explore for yourself, I visited Syd/Melb unis and ANU before deciding my choices, many factors to look at. Accommodation, whether you can get scholarship, which is best for your course etc.

If you were wanting to do undergrad medicine straight of the bat, that'd obviously make Monash a more attractive option (have several friends in course there), also have many friends in UNSW med. Also look at UNCLE/UNE, JCU etc.

 

[sghguos]

I'm about to begin year 11 (VCE) this year which means it's time for me to start thinking about what field interests me and what university I want to go to. But this being said, I'm running out of good universities to look in to. I live in Victoria, Australia. The only 2 good universities here are Monash University and of course the University of Melbourne. RMIT, Deakin, La Trobe, Victoria University etc I don't really consider universities because of their low standards to get in to, and I've never really seen them in lists for most successful graduates, best university institutions etc (nationally or globally). I wouldn't mind going to Australian National University, because like Monash and UniMelb, it is also a globally recognized university. I'm interested in science, especially health/medicine.
So I ask you:
1. Why aren't there enough good universities in Australia?
2. What other universities should I look in

Dude wtf. Your forgeting the top uni in australia. USYD. Wheres the most famoud place in Australia? Obviously sydney and obv sydney uni is best in sydney. NO offence ANU is a pretty shack uni, everyone says its good only cuz of its rankings but look its atar cut offs but with all honesty it is still quite below the two powerhouses of Australia SyDNEY and MELBOURnE!!!

 

[nerdasdasd]

I'm about to begin year 11 (VCE) this year which means it's time for me to start thinking about what field interests me and what university I want to go to. But this being said, I'm running out of good universities to look in to. I live in Victoria, Australia. The only 2 good universities here are Monash University and of course the University of Melbourne. RMIT, Deakin, La Trobe, Victoria University etc I don't really consider universities because of their low standards to get in to, and I've never really seen them in lists for most successful graduates, best university institutions etc (nationally or globally). I wouldn't mind going to Australian National University, because like Monash and UniMelb, it is also a globally recognized university. I'm interested in science, especially health/medicine.
So I ask you:
1. Why aren't there enough good universities in Australia?
2. What other universities should I look in

Dude wtf. Your forgeting the top uni in australia. USYD. Wheres the most famoud place in Australia? Obviously sydney and obv sydney uni is best in sydney. NO offence ANU is a pretty shack uni, everyone says its good only cuz of its rankings but look its atar cut offs but with all honesty it is still quite below the two powerhouses of Australia SyDNEY and MELBOURnE!!!

Mate, mate , mate. Atar cut offs does not reflect how good a university is.....

Atar cut offs are only a reflection of population.

Also, some universities have their strengths in respective to the field.

 

[RishBonjour]

I'm about to begin year 11 (VCE) this year which means it's time for me to start thinking about what field interests me and what university I want to go to. But this being said, I'm running out of good universities to look in to. I live in Victoria, Australia. The only 2 good universities here are Monash University and of course the University of Melbourne. RMIT, Deakin, La Trobe, Victoria University etc I don't really consider universities because of their low standards to get in to, and I've never really seen them in lists for most successful graduates, best university institutions etc (nationally or globally). I wouldn't mind going to Australian National University, because like Monash and UniMelb, it is also a globally recognized university. I'm interested in science, especially health/medicine.
So I ask you:
1. Why aren't there enough good universities in Australia?
2. What other universities should I look in to?

For Australia's population size - we have some great universities. Monash, melb, ANU, usyd and UNSW are all top and internationally recognized universities. For health science/medicine - if you're good enough - why not try for USYD med? (although it is technically post grad - I have a couple of friends doing it - not easy to get into) - if rankings are what you're interested in - its 17th - while Unimelb is post grad too and 9th (QS - medicine).

So to answer your question - there are GREAT universities in Australia.

Mate, mate , mate. Atar cut offs does not reflect how good a university is.....

Atar cut offs are only a reflection of population.

Also, some universities have their strengths in respective to the field.

mate, mate, mate. That, in effect, does reflect how good a university is.

 

[mAsTAR]

Dude wtf. Your forgeting the top uni in australia. USYD.

By what metric?

Wheres the most famoud place in Australia?

That has no relevance to education quality.

NO offence ANU is a pretty shack uni

Have you ever set foot inside ANU or taken a class there?

everyone says its good only cuz of its rankings but look its atar cut offs

ATAR cut-offs are indicators of demand vs. supply, not course quality.

Please go away. Your advice is awful and your inability to work anything out for yourself is incredibly frustrating.

 

[seanieg89]

I'm about to begin year 11 (VCE) this year which means it's time for me to start thinking about what field interests me and what university I want to go to. But this being said, I'm running out of good universities to look in to. I live in Victoria, Australia. The only 2 good universities here are Monash University and of course the University of Melbourne. RMIT, Deakin, La Trobe, Victoria University etc I don't really consider universities because of their low standards to get in to, and I've never really seen them in lists for most successful graduates, best university institutions etc (nationally or globally). I wouldn't mind going to Australian National University, because like Monash and UniMelb, it is also a globally recognized university. I'm interested in science, especially health/medicine.
So I ask you:
1. Why aren't there enough good universities in Australia?
2. What other universities should I look in

Dude wtf. Your forgeting the top uni in australia. USYD. Wheres the most famoud place in Australia? Obviously sydney and obv sydney uni is best in sydney. NO offence ANU is a pretty shack uni, everyone says its good only cuz of its rankings but look its atar cut offs but with all honesty it is still quite below the two powerhouses of Australia SyDNEY and MELBOURnE!!!

No offence taken, but you do realise that atar cutoffs are determined by supply and demand right? For what measure of the quality of a university are the atar cutoffs a valid means of comparison?

 

[isildurrrr1]

Yeah cambridge massachussets is the most famous place in America. That explains why MIT and Harvard are on the top of the list amirite.

Our unis are doing really great considering that 1. they're not 400+ years old 2. we don't have an insane amount of endowment (harvard has 38 billion, helps hiring the brightest academic minds) and 3. we have a tiny population and were 2 hemispheres away from the top uni's. Not bad for a relatively isolated universities to place so well.

 

[brent012]

No offence taken, but you do realise that atar cutoffs are determined by supply and demand right? For what measure of the quality of a university are the atar cutoffs a valid means of comparison?

It's a stupud argument, yes. But OP seems to be basing this whole "almost no good universities in Australia" sentiment solely on lax cut offs, so it's ironic he mentioned he thinks higly of ANU despite it having similar (lower in some cases) cut offs than the universities he has condemned for supposed low entry standards.

Our unis are doing really great considering that 1. they're not 400+ years old 2. we don't have an insane amount of endowment (harvard has 38 billion, helps hiring the brightest academic minds) and 3. we have a tiny population and were 2 hemispheres away from the top uni's. Not bad for a relatively isolated universities to place so well.

Considering we have such a small population and many young universities, our universities are performing well on the (questionable) league tables. It's worth looking into the "Top 50 under 50" type league tables, majority of young Australian universities are on them. Particularly the technology network unis which are very young, a lot of the others (i.e. Newcastle, Macq) are approaching the 50 years and will be ineligible for that list soon.

Besides, OP would have to be extremely narrow minded to think every university overseas is great. There are so many universities and colleges in the UK and US for example, many of them have VERY low entry standards and could only wish to be ranked as highly as some of the universities he is criticising. There are even private college type institutions in North America operating as universities!

 

[Trebla]

Well, Australia does have a much smaller population than most places around the world...

 

[AsyLum]

It's really ridiculous, all these threads talking about prestige, quality etc.

Simple reason why Aus unis aren't well known? They haven't been around since the 12th century, the population is smaller and the need for those positions is nowhere near as strong in this country.

PS. Like someone has posted, if you're measuring quality based on ATAR, you're doing it wrong. It is simply a matter of popularity and quotas, nothing more, nothing less. The public perception is that it correlates with quality or difficulty, it does not. Additionally, your 'measures' are hardly scientific in nature, and if you want to use the rankings, they are largely based on Postgraduate Research, which has little to no bearing on Undergraduate teaching.

TL;DR: Go o/s if nothing here suits you.

 

[isildurrrr1]

Well, Australia does have a much smaller population than most places around the world...

our uni funding is lower than harvards endowment.

Age has nothing to do with how good a uni is. If that's the case why is Cal Tech, MIT, UC Berkeley and what not are so highly ranked? Rankings are all postgrad research based anyway. It does help if the uni's have a ton of money lying around. A lot has to do with money and industry relations/networking capacity.

 

[brent012]

Age has nothing to do with how good a uni is. If that's the case why is Cal Tech, MIT, UC Berkeley and what not are so highly ranked?

All of those universities are older than or a similar age to Australia's oldest universities so I don't think they are great examples.

Hong Kong University of Science and Technology is fairly high ranked considering its age (founded in the early 90s). But afaik it is the highest ranked university under 50 years old.

It's not exactly a household name or right up there in any rankings, so considering it is supposedly the best young university (even though ranks are questionable and essentially useless for undergrads) I think that's a sign that age does matter but is just one factor of many.

 

[isildurrrr1]

All of those universities are older than or a similar age to Australia's oldest universities so I don't think they are great examples.

Hong Kong University of Science and Technology is fairly high ranked considering its age (founded in the early 90s). But afaik it is the highest ranked university under 50 years old.

It's not exactly a household name or right up there in any rankings, so considering it is supposedly the best young university (even though ranks are questionable and essentially useless for undergrads) I think that's a sign that age does matter but is just one factor of many.

A lot has to do with funding and the attraction of the pool of applicants. UK and US uni's are pretty much tier 1 choices for international students. London is where it's at if you want to network. Ivy leagues and top US uni's are where it's at if you want to excel academically since they have HUGE HUGE funding.

 

[LoveHateSchool]

No offence taken, but you do realise that atar cutoffs are determined by supply and demand right? For what measure of the quality of a university are the atar cutoffs a valid means of comparison?

Yeah noone can bash ANU with a good standing, it was rank 1 for so long and now is only one place behind UMELB by the most conventional uni rankings. Long way above USYD/UNSW. Oh and such a strong research uni with a strong postgrad candidature and excellence in many fields.

Given how many unis we have in the top 200 given our population, Australia's pretty lucky. Uni of SA, UWA and UQ all make the top 200. And UMELB/ANU hover top 20, UNSW, USYD also in top 100.