Is there still hope or is it all a waste? (1 Viewer)

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Hi say you dont rank too well in your trials, but you come above average say, top third of your grade across all your subjects (my school is poorly ranked). Then you decide to pick up your game and smash the externals, getting 100 percents and what not (hypothetically speaking) would your marks just get handed to the person who is coming first? or..?

Ultimately leading to the title of this post, Is there hope?! :(
 

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Your exam mark is what you KEEP - the top mark will be the assessment mark of the rank 1 person.

If you smash externals, it will still count as 50% of your HSC overall.
 

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Your marks will be given to the the first person on a platter (since you got 100%).
Remember though, you get the third highest external mark (since you're ranked 3rd internally) and that's your moderated assessment mark. What you get in your HSC will be your external mark, so your assessment mark and your HSC mark will be averaged. Since your school is poorly ranked the third person's mark might drag you down, whilst your mark will drag you up, It depends on the assessment mark you get, basically what the third highest mark is in the HSC.
 

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Hope for what?

The highest exam mark of any student will be then be the moderated assessment mark of the student who is ranked 1st internally. But they still keep their own exam mark, so if their exam mark is say 85, and the highest happens to be 99, then they will get a mark of 92.

A situation where the range of exam marks is say 80 to 90 is worse for everyone than in a situation where the range of exam marks is say 80 to 95. Sure, your moderated assessment mark might not be great, but it will be worse if your own exam performance is bad.
 

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Your marks will be given to the the first person on a platter (since you got 100%).
Remember though, you get the third highest external mark (since you're ranked 3rd internally) and that's your moderated assessment mark. What you get in your HSC will be your external mark, so your assessment mark and your HSC mark will be averaged. Since your school is poorly ranked the third person's mark might drag you down, whilst your mark will drag you up, It depends on the assessment mark you get, basically what the third highest mark is in the HSC.
No, that is a common misconception. You do not get the 3rd highest exam mark because you are ranked 3rd in school.

Read about moderation: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/hsc-results/moderation.html
 

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At school, you sit assessments that each have a weighting. This gets added up to form your raw school percentage, probably the mark on your report. But this mark is based on your school's assessments. At another school, they have their own assessments and own weightings etc., so you can't compare your mark and your rank to a student at another school.

In order to fairly compare marks, BOS needs every student to sit a common assessment, that being, the HSC exams. Your school marks will be 'moderated' based on how well your cohort performs in the HSC exams. The moderated assessment mark of the 1st ranked student will be the highest exam mark of any student in your cohort. The moderated assessment mark of the last ranked student will be the lowest exam mark of any student in your cohort. This may seem unfair, but it's logical. What BOS is doing is now putting your school's set of assessment marks relative to the state. This means, had your assessments been to the standard of the HSC, no one in your school would have gotten over say 95 (if that was the highest exam mark) - so those school assessments where students achieved 100% or whatever, were probably slightly easy for HSC standards etc.

But BOS does not simply allocate the 2nd highest exam mark to the 2nd ranked student for their moderated assessment mark. BOS takes into account the relative gaps between students. Coming 10th by 2% puts you in a better position than coming 10th by 20%. Those highest/lowest exam marks are the bounds of your cohort's moderated assessment marks. No student will achieve a moderated assessment mark higher than the highest exam mark, and vice versa for the lowest exam mark. This is the reason why doing well in the HSC exams individually and as a cohort is paramount. But this does not disregard school assessment marks. If the range of the exam marks are small, then obviously the moderated assessment marks will be close. If the range is large, then the gaps become noticeable. BOS must also keep the mean of the assessment marks to be the same as the mean of the exam marks. It may be that the lower end gets raised to accommodate for the moderation process.

Think of a rubber band, where your relative gaps between students' marks are shown. If your exam marks have a large range, that rubber band will be stretched, so will the gaps between each student. If your exam marks have a small range, that rubber band will be contracted, and so will the gaps. These are relative gaps. They stay the same, relative to other gaps. So even if the exam marks are like 95, then 85, 84, 83 etc., if 2nd is close to first in school, it's possible for 2nd to achieve a moderated assessment mark of 94, because their gap in school is small. They might have a mediocre exam mark, but their assessment mark is really based on school performance. So it is also important to do well in school. But notice that ranks don't really matter unless you are first or last. It's the gaps which matter, so you want to get as many marks as possible so you're as close as possible to the top, in terms of marks. What ultimately matters is the HSC exam, and that everyone does well.
 

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Hope for what?

The highest exam mark of any student will be then be the moderated assessment mark of the student who is ranked 1st internally. But they still keep their own exam mark, so if their exam mark is say 85, and the highest happens to be 99, then they will get a mark of 92.

A situation where the range of exam marks is say 80 to 90 is worse for everyone than in a situation where the range of exam marks is say 80 to 95. Sure, your moderated assessment mark might not be great, but it will be worse if your own exam performance is bad.
Hope to achieve a high atar (above 90) without ranking highly in an avarage school

This kinda makes sense Thanks
 

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