dan964
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I am trying to be patient
Then you are forwarding an argument based on contradiction for the non-existence of God based on the evil in the world contradicting the 'Goodness' of God in scripture.
Firstly,
- On what basis do you have to say that what God commanded and allowed is evil? If you say it is objective, you must provide proof. If you say it is subjective, I say that subjectivity does not apply to God, since God is above all humanely constructed morals.
- God may have morally sufficient reasons to allow evil since it is perfectly conceivable for there to be morally sufficient reasons
I already said that it is perfectly conceivable and possible for God to have morally sufficient reasons to allow evil
Just like its conceivable for myself to be late to a meeting in order to teach someone how to read, I have morally sufficient reasons to allow for some wrong.
Of course God is just a infinity above that, with his Will, and his power to create heaven and hell, He, as being all-Powerful and being all-Knowing (which is part of the definition of God), can have a morally justified reason to do such.
Again, you still need to show that what God did was 'wrong', objectively.
By definition, God is all-Knowing, this is based on the commonly accepted definition of God, and is part of God's attributes based in the Bible and pretty much every other scripture. So if you want to prove that God does not exist, you must deal with the definition at hand and show a contradiction. You must give a definition of a Flying Spaghetti Monster, if being all-Knowing is part of its attributes, so be it. It just makes the concept completely contradictory and incoherent.
Of course, if I want to prove that God exists, I need to prove that this attribute is a part of the being that I want to show exists.
But this is a refutation against a claim of inconsistency in the attributes of God, so you must deal with the definition of God, in order to prove God does not exist. Just like I have to deal with what it means to be a married bachelor in order to prove that one of those does not exist.
I am not giving a proof for the non-existence of God. I am pointing out that if we accept God as the Bible defines him, as loving etc, that reality does not match this description - unless you dispute that God is not as he is described in the Bible. I am pointing out a flaw in the argument for God, not proposing an argument for the his non-existence. There is a difference here.
See above
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Since you are dealing with the Christian conception of God, let me help you out, since you evidently do not know how to engage in dialectics.
Here is a short proof I extracted from Muslim sources (that I modified a little bit), against the logical validity of the Trinity. I will write an article soon expounding upon each premise.
1. God as a Trinity consists of 3 Hypostatic unions, the number of hypostatic unions is not necessarily 3, it could be a 4, 5, or 'n'-unit Godhead.
2. Therefore the number of Hypostatic unions is an accidental property
3. Therefore God has an accidental property, namely the 3 Hypostatic unions
4. All accidental properties are determined by a particularizing agent, to give preponderance to that particular property over others (i.e. to give preponderance to the number 3)
5. Thus attributes of God are particularized
6. This entails that there is a being greater than the Maximally Great God, yielding a violation of the law of non-contradiction
7. Therefore, the conception of multiple hypostatic unions is inconceivable
8. Therefore, the Trinity is inconceivable
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Here is what we know now as the Kalam Cosmological Argument:
1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause
2. The universe began to exist
3. Therefore the universe has a cause
Defenses (will expand if people wish to refute it)
Defense 1: Self-evident
Defense 2.1: Big-Bang Theory, BGV Theorem
Defense 2.2: The impossibility of an infinite regress of past events
Defense 2.3: The absurdity of an actual infinite
The reason why we know God exists is he has revealed himself ultimately through Jesus Christ.
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