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hehez - it sounds like your brother is in a mean mood tonight.

Night Lynn :)

I wonder if anyone is still online...

Dont be mean to me Justin.

Hey dabuckstopshere, Welcome to Bored of Studies and the English Extension 2 forum!The Bored of Studies website is local and student based - it's not been created overseas so all the attention is on us Aussies and our secondary education! Ok, so firstly - don't freak out about EE2. Most...

Yeah, interesting correlations - but can you apply that to the "person" system? This is what we were arguing about, hehez.

Well, I think you're right that they are separate realms - but I believe there is a relationship between them, even if only in our thinking about things.

I would agree that time refers to our perception of the effect of a process, rather than to a quantity. But I don't see how any approach could reach fourth person and surmount the paradox of perception. If fourth person is, as you say, a Series B conception of time, then how can this be...

Time can only be broken down if you put a construct upon it, and that is a matter of perception. Numbers are limitations, and when applied to time, are one way of measuring a perception of time. Time can therefore be quantified, but it is not a quantity.

I don't care what Newton says, I don't think time is quantity. Time can be "quantified", but I don't think it's a quantity in itself. Stop misappropriating Newton. That was said by him in a very specific context.

Perhaps fourth person can only be an approach, and not a method.

Which is why I suggested "speculative". Time, however, is a perception, not a quantity.

Perhaps - Expressive, didactic, objective, speculative But that poses other problems, because "speculative" would refer to low modality writing, and not to a framework of consciousness.

Second person is not "he said, she said", it's "you said", and third person is not merely a combination of the past two, but an objective perspective OF those two. Also, time is NOT consciousness, but one thing perceived by consciousness. The "person" system refers to the actual framework of a...

"Temporal" doesn't fit the progression - Expressive, didactic, objective, temporal

If first person is "me"(expressive), and second person is "you"(didactic), and third person is "they"(objective), then fourth person should be the next step up.

Tense is variable to any perspective of writing. You could use future tense in first person, for example. Tense is time, where person is perspective. I don't think future tense is rarely explored either - we use it all the time, but not on it's own because it doesn't express immediacy properly...

I don't think it should be random, I just don't think that future tense is anything more special than future tense. It's like saying that past tense is first person writing. I don't think that tense is the answer.

I would think that the fourth dimension would transcend linear time - I see it as a constant state, rather than a prediction of events. Therefore, a change of tense would simply be a change of tense. Writing in future tense also limits your expression a great deal. lol@Lynn's story!

future tense is simply future tense, not fourth person :P