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How has it been proven?

You felt disgusted. How does that make it wrong per se? Sure it should be done in private, but aside from that, what is wrong with it? You're hanging around the wrong men. But why? You fail time and time again to show what is wrong with having sex out of marriage. Where is your proof of this...

You can't focus on the consequences without any regard for the probability of them being true. If I said that, should you believe in flying pink elephants and pray to them every Tuesday, you will go to heaven where every wish is your instant command, and should you fail to do so, you will go...

Response to laura_beth's points, Part II Creator argument Unfortunately, as enthusiastically as you explained that little argument, it is flawed. The universe need not have been caused (or "created"), since cause is a temporal concept and (as you yourself agreed) time does not exist without...

Response to laura_beth's points, Part I "The Bible is unique, etc" Not very impressive - Impossible to prove If it is impossible to prove, then we should refrain from saying that there is or is not a God. You cannot know either way. Not true, as there are observable facts upon which...

That has now been addressed in the comment above, immediately precedings yours. No, it is circular reasoning: see the rebuttal above.

Response to Riqtay's points Proper Argument Irrelevant (and not true anyway). Please attack the argument, not the person. No inconsistency in no-creator belief Your confusion stems from the fact that you have already begged the question by assuming that everything was "created". You look...

These things get blown way out of proportion, but it is to be expected - this is just the sort of thing the media latches on to (Today Tonight was probably the worst culprit, with no mention of the council's explanation at all).

Wrong account, Jesus ;)

True -- it is a consideration in the risk of sex; the severity of the harm would be likely to be greater should the contraception fail. Also personally I think that, where there is a family unit, there are certain roles that should not really be messed around with in case psychological...

Ah, criminal laws against rape, indecent assault, intimidation?

Your point was that changing values over time is bad, and that the original religious values should be kept. Assuming that the religious values were good values, then that would be fine. But firstly, those values are not the result of some mystical God telling us them, they are the result of...

Firstly, it might decrease the chance by 0.0000001%, but that is not a sufficient reason. That's like saying that I should never use a shower in case I slip and fall. Secondly, while that rule might have been relevant in the dangerous times of the middle-east in 600AD, in our modern society...

Whatever the reason I don't really see an 'epidemic of bestiality' eventuating anytime soon! As I suggested before I don't think, if the animal consents, and it's hygenic and all, that there is anything strictly morally wrong with it. I think you'd have to be really insane or something to...

I assume that is a joke, because: 1. Marrying an animal in now way means that the human is physically attracted to it. 2. Even if she was, probably 99.9999% of humans would not be attracted to animals.

Ah, Not-That-Bright, you posted up Socrates' problem! :) I mentioned that a while ago but I somehow got mixed up with Plato -- I think I probably said Plato because he was posing the question as a character in one of Socrates' plays/dialogues :)

Well, it is complicated. My beliefs are in line with David Hume, in that 'morality' does not really exist. It is only the gut reactions and empathy of human beings that give actions some sort of "moral significance", but there is nothing actually factual or justified about this, and as such...

That makes morality meaningless though -- it is no better than judging right and wrong by the desires of a single human being. I think that you have to confront the idea that there is no factual, objective morality. Morality is something humans can create given certain basic and fundamental...

Yes, and I quashed your argument if memory serves :P I assure you that I am often equally perplexed by alternative positions. Yes, but I am not "double-minded". I simply believe that we cannot know. Yes, I would correct you. What's baffling about that? There is nothing inconsistent about it. I...

1. I just said to you that desiring a woman does not mean people are going to rape her. 2. What is wrong with sex, or lust for that matter?