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I wish I had of known when it was even on! I would love to attend as many debates as possible, but never know when or where they are on. Living around Newcastle doesn't offer that many opportunities to attend debates, but I would be happy to travel for it :D If you find out about any more...

Lol, I think you nailed our differences! A picture (with words?) is worth a thousand words eh? :D

Well, I apologize if that's how it reads, but that's not what I meant at all. I don't regard atheists as morally inferior - how arrogant! The difference is that I find the atheistic view of morality so drastically different to my own that I have trouble accepting how it could be followed so...

Ahh, nope. I'm trying to show that morality doesn't have as much meaning under atheism as what most proclaim it to. Either way, I think I give up now. It seems like we are just going in circles, or we're arguing about something we already agree on. It seems to be that most people have come to...

If only it were different hey? Alas, I can only think what I do in fact think...

I think my point has been lost again :( I don't care about what we call our moral system, I care about what it in fact is. I'd be surprised if you didn't care whether our system was absolute or relative but I could understand if you didn't care what it was called. Believing it is divine...

Well, that is a better response than I could could have asked for :) I suppose then my issue lies in that I think public sex acts would affect the understanding my kids would come to have about the implications of sex. Would you disagree? Out of interest, what age would you support your...

I suppose I don't see why you are treating children any differently or not linking them into your examples. What in your mind, makes a child's sexual organs any less valid than an adults? Also, to be sure, I wouldn't want my children to think that sex is a shameful act. However, I also wouldn't...

Hey, that post wasn't actually quite as bad as I was anticipating based on your preface slidey! Thanks for keeping it under control. The funny thing is, I understand everything you are saying. Certainly we have been through these explanations before. But still, I find that there is a...

I think you may have missed my point. In your original post you said So following this line of thought, why can't we see them functioning and participate in their functions in public?

Its all very well to in fact say that absolute morality is a construct of society and changes, but I think this a confusion of terms - or at least a new definition. I do agree with you though that there is a "firm" sort of standard at any one time of what is considered "good" and "bad in...

Nope, not kidding you. You may have missed my emphasis on "real" morality - ie, objective, ultimate, absolute (whatever you want to call it) :P I was surprised that withoutaface was drawing any distinction between different levels of morality when under his own views, there doesn't actually...

So lets keep following this line of reason and see where you do draw the line. Would you be happy for any man or woman to walk around in public naked? How about public porn performances, or masturbation? Surely there is nothing less normal or natural about these things either? Would you be happy...

I'm surprised withoutaface. For a person coming from an atheistic(?) point of view, surely you would acknowledge that you believe there to be in fact no real moral standards - regardless of whether it causes direct harm to participants or not? Whilst I'm flattered by an ad hominem argument, I...

http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSWEL11843920080819?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews I'm always very interested in news that shows differences in peoples moral standards and objections. 100 years ago, there is no way such an event would be allowed, or even thought of...

How so? I think it shows that the universe can still have a cause, even if the cause was timeless. It also is a good way to propose how a timeless God can interact with a world embedded in time. I must say, I'm still unconvinced that I should have no trouble accepting that the universe needs...

Heh heh, it seems we are going in circles. He uses the very power that enables him to perform an action, that would mean he is not able to do so. I propose a logical contradiction!

I think I am agreeing with you on both points before this one and probably on this one also. Just did some light reading that made a fair amount of sense in my mind on this topic. From this is seems that the concept of God can still fit within a timeless to time present stage. I propose that...

I suppose I simply mean to ask, doesn't a fluctuation require some energy or anything in order to have reason for it to fluctuate? Probably reveling a lack of knowledge here.

I'm not saying to throw away your human logic. I am saying not to apply your sense of time to what it was like "before" time as such conclusions reached don't make sense. Well, I suppose this is what I am saying. The decision process doesn't make sense when outside of time because our decision...