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Re: Australian Politics Chatter Thread Looking at history is fine, but you're looking at history of the past 60 years, not past 10. And would you really say that people of Chifley's era were better off? Really? People of Howard's era had no wars (I wouldn't exactly count Afghanistan's...

How is freedom of press "irrelevant to the argument"? Your argument was that "the media" (do you mean US media perhaps?) was a "neocon front". Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't press freedom particularly relevant to whether or not "the media" is controlled by an organisation with an...

Wow, that's was some brilliant dialogue there, sam04u. Truly, I am left with no recourse but to concede defeat in the face of such eloquent and infallible logic. Maybe next time you can actually provide some sort of rationale in your defence instead of enacting a cross between curling up into a...

Sam, take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Press_Freedom_Index#Worldwide_Press_Freedom_Index_Ranking

"The media"? I guess that includes even Al Jazeera and ABC, all the time, every story? Bit of a blanket statement there, mate. I do wish that the majority of press wasn't owned by two multinational corporations. But this isn't fucking Russia. Edit: or worse, China.

I have zero respect for the Bush administration, and I think it has brutally perverted many of America's economic & social checks, balances and safeguards; it has basically shown disturbing disregard for its citizens's rights in general. But there's little anyone can do about it but thank the...

I agree. Well, there wasn't any appeal to begin with, and now there is one (albeit weak). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act#FISA_court

Presumably you know the full story about FISA, but just in case: Obama initially voted against FISA. When it was modified to be less drastic (e.g. external court decision rather than White House decision, among other things), he saw the new modified law as the lesser of two evils. FISA is...

Is he? That sucks. I can kind of understand, though. Space sort of died with the Cold War. We have more pressing concerns to direct our money to.

Let me know if you ever say something not borne of knee-jerk right-wing conservatism.

You can understand it when they have the largest teen suicide rate in the world. It's causing, and will continue to cause, severe problems for their economy (as part of a larger aging population and population decline problem) Edit: Besides, emos are annoying.

You are clueless.

Fucking epic speech. Wow.

Fuck it, I need quantification! None of this qualitative bullshit.

I tend to agree, but on the other hand, McCain has to be one of the least conservative Republicans to run for a while.

He still didn't make it about Israel. ;)

Considering when it was written, I think it was amazingly progressive. I think that today, you'd need to make a few adjustments to it, though, for it to fit in Australia. But yes, the American Bill of Rights stands the test of time rather well.

It's a little thing called 'foreign relations'. And sam, stop fucking trying to make everything about Israel.

Sometimes some time apart can help (as long as you both acknowledge it isn't a full on breakup). I'm sure Bainesy's suggestion of role-play would help spice up the bedroom side of things.