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Depending on where you go that means flying when it's snowing. There is nothing fun about the massive cancellations/delays that happen when it's snowing/around Christmas time. Spring/Autumn are really the "off" seasons. Plus, better weather.

I'm surprised you didn't use this one:

I was merely trying to illustrate that her point that sex within marriage, at any age, is not traumatic when it clearly is (whether it's considered legal or not and when it occurred in history).

How is sex within marriage when you're 12 or 13 different? Warren Jeffs, the former leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Saints, was just put in jail for rape for forcing a 14 year old to marry her second cousin. That was sex within marriage and that was illegal and...

Condoms, the Pill, the cervical cancer jab and getting regular STD/HIV tests. They may not be 100% but if you've got all four then you're pretty damn close.

In terms of the universality I guess I'm thinking that a majority of people say that "definitive ly some things are right and wrong" (especially when dealing with things that religion finds "sinful") and that it's interesting that something so core to Christianity can't be seen as a right/wrong...

Good point. Although I still think it's kinda sad that you can't pinpoint an objective, logical reason to not have sex. That's what I've always wanted someone to provide and even though now I think it's not possible, it doesn't exactly bode well for the argument for virginity that your beliefs...

Look. You knew that was a cunty thing to say so I'm not really going to address why you did it. I made this thread because I've always been curious as to people's reasoning when it comes to sex. More often than not I've found that their arguments are convoluted, thin on logic/rationale and...

Which is what I outlined in my second question. Are you even bothering to read what I've said? If they have pre-marital sex then get married what's the problem? They formed "the partnership" with sex and then made it official with the ceremony. If you think you've already addressed this then...

So you're saying that for them to have sex before marriage means that they've broken a partnership they haven't even had yet? Or, if sex is meant to be a spiritual partnership as well, then what if they have sex before they get married but then get married anyways? What's the problem there...

Oh my motherfucking God, be pedantic. Why is sex before marriage a sin? EDIT: Not fornication because adultery is included in that definition and the reasons for that being a sin are separate to those of pre-marital sex.

You still haven't answered my question. I hear your point of view a lot too, mostly from my Catholic family. That said, you keep deflecting my questions by picking apart other aspects of my posts. I'm bringing it down to the very basics now. Why is sex a sin?

I get it. You on the other hand seem pretty confused even though I'm using proper spelling, punctuation and sentence structure. Yes but why is sex before marriage a sin? That's what I'm getting at here. Why would religious teachings be so specific about a physical act. Love and trust are...

I Know Who Killed Me. I totally understand why it won 8 Razzies. It was not even so bad it was funny/good/a kinda parody. It just flat out sucked.

No, you're a terrible debater for taking no sides and "The value of a persons virginity is dependant on the meaning the person gives it." is part of the "everyone's different" argument. If you take the faith route why do you believe that faith makes your virginity special? Why would God...

So then couldn't we say that not being a virgin is equally valid? Because I'm betting the majority of people saying that being a virgin is wonderful wouldn't agree with that statement. Also, I always wanted to know why people put such weight on what is essentially a physical act. Just saying...

Look that's fine but the question that I posed (so fucking long ago) basically asks: Why is being a virgin better than not being one? That is, what attributes does virginity have that make it so precious? As such, I haven't been convinced that virginity is worth anything. More than anything...

Discourse. So wanky and so fun.

Everything in bold needs to be deleted. I helped as much as I could but this is pretty poor.

I think just straight out asking is a little insecure but it's one of those things that does come up if you've been dating for ages and you're just chatting and then... it just comes out. It's no big deal then either.