2003physics=engish (2 Viewers)

[jayz]

physics is everything but physics, in fact if u add up the notes u have to write (not calculate) it adds up to be more than your english notes.

Explain this, describe that, discuss how, that's all there is to the new and 'improved' 2003 physics syllabus(oops i meant english)

so boringg...ZZzz..

 

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theres no pt in doing the maths when u dun even know the theory that the maths is based on

 

[lillaila]

hmmm, that's true.
English is much broader than physics however, physics' notes r much more

 

[Constip8edSkunk]

Identify data, gather and process information from secondary sources to discuss the changes in the concept of light in relation with your understnading of the concept of Change, concentrating on the focus of changing perspective and intertextuality among the prescribed texts.

 

[Twintip]

Don't forget the textual integrity of your sources and how they are received in different contexts..

 

[:: ck ::]

yeah and everything u do in skool is written in english

0.o lol

 

[jayz]

i really hope this 'discussion' is not turning to an argument about english. The point i am trying to 'present & persuade', is the fact that board of studies is partially discriminating against the non-good english background speakers by making every subject that's not 'compulsorily' involving '100%' english, 'standard' english.(if u talk to HSC markers u will understand the siginificane of "VERBS"-(i.e. english))

by the way, in reply to 'theres no pt in doing the maths when u dun even know the theory that the maths is based on'.
I wouldn't agree more to your pt, but u do realise that there is no pt learning the theory when it doesn't apply to anything near to practicability(i.e. making money, and please don't tell me 'then don't learn it then!'), other than the high school certificate.
(i mean, yes, i really enjoy 'gather, process and analyse information to identify some of the energy transfers and tranformations involving the conversion of electrical energy into more useful forms in the home and industry')

i am not an anti-physicist or a anti-english student.(this statement is not suppose to be ironic!)

 

[jayz]

textual integrity

Is textual integrity-the ability of the text to be received the wide variety of readers under various context?

 

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but come to think of it, if physics was very maths minded(in real life it is, but since we are still young, our mind are too, young) then physics lesson are just another maths lesson...

since saying it will disadvantaged non-english speaking background ppl, they go to ESL and there are special piority(i think) for them that they dun speak english long enough...

then again, if physics in HSC is very heavily maths based...wouldn't that disadvantage the 2u math kids...if ur taking physics just for pure math leisure, then u should be thinking bout doing 4u maths more...coz physics isn't just bout plugging in numbers into formulas

 

[:: ck ::]

well if ur doin the hsc it assumes u have SOME level of english skill at least

im not saying the esl ppl arent disadvantaged (i am one but i do ext1 english)

 

[:: ck ::]

i haf a frnd who just came from china

his english is poor he has to wait a year to do the hsc .. just learning PURE english at skool (he finish year11 in china)

so yeahh i think when u do the hsc there is an assumed "level" of english standard

 

[Akira_Tikira]

Hi
Now listen here, I mean this cause is good at times but we have to admit there are some dot points that are simply silly and should be removed. Their main purpose is to disadvantage people from non-english speaking background so Physic can be more generalised.

Dot points like assess the impact of transformer on the environment WHO CARES!!!!!....

For the past 200 years physicst like planck and Einstein have derivied equations for us to use and now we are going back and trying to show how it come about...

We should have a long look at ourself and the course we are learning, how much is pure physics and how much is applicational. I mean who of you guys will become astronuats and have to worry saety precautions during re-entry.

There is some really good physics that should be included which is not and i think whoever set the syllabuse and HSC exams need to add
1.more math and information processing, less regurigating and memorising
2. more harder exams
3.lift the 50% max on exam rule for internal assessment.

Thanks, thats just my opinion

 

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more maths is a good idea coz physics need maths to prove theories and stuff...but physics isn't maths neither english...

as for making physics exams harder, isn't the exams hard enough already?

 

[kini mini]

IAW Akira.

Anyone who thinks physics exams are hard hasn't looked at last year's paper . Under the new syllabus, even if they are hard it's not because the science is hard - just poorly worded.

 

[jayz]

First of all, i did not say 'disadvantage', i clearly said 'partially disadvantage'(carefully choosing my words), second of all i think it's better to keep personal comments on other ppl to oneself.
Any way back to the topic.
I believe the whole pt of learning (including the boring HSC) is to allow learner's to gain ability to apply their learnt knowledge on practical uses. Although it is unfair to say everything we learn is useless, there is no doubt in denying the fact, that somethings are just useless. The main thing BOS needs to focus on, is to balance these useless things with the useful knowledge, whether BOS do it or not, it's out of the students hands (sadly to say )

 

[jayz]

one more thing, what's hard now is not phy
it is the terrible VERBS
which everyone should hate

 

[Affinity]

I don't mind most 'assess' dot points(although they tend to make things very subjective), but those points about the history of physics is purely irrelevant. I am sure we can learn physics without reading Newton or Einstein.

theres no pt in doing the maths when u dun even know the theory that the maths is based on

There's a difference between not reading tonnes and tonnes of history and not understanding the concepts.

then again, if physics in HSC is very heavily maths based...wouldn't that disadvantage the 2u math kids...if ur taking physics just for pure math leisure, then u should be thinking bout doing 4u maths more...coz physics isn't just bout plugging in numbers into formulas

Instead of saying "we want more maths" Lets say I want more depth in knowledge, I want to be able to describe physical phenomena with precision and to be able to make more accurate and detailed hypotheses about the outcome of experiments which I would perform. Let's face it, The amount of maths in the course is directly proportional to the depth in understanding of physics and is inversely proportional to the average ambiguity in the statements of students . Taking out maths would turn physics into metaphysics

ALSO, maths isn't about plugging numbers into formulas, maths is more about deducing conclusions from premises. I suggest you learn more maths before criticising(indirectly) maths in this way.

Ofcourse, to learn maths you would have to read through the major works of Gauss, Euler, Cantor, Hilbert, Godel, Riemann, Cauchy, Euclid, Russell, Galois etc .
Oh not to forget to describe the controversy Fermat created when he did not leave a prove for his 'last theorem' (ie was it true or not) and how this was resolved and assess it's historical impact on the development of mathematics. Make sure you include all the following terms and names:
Wiles
Taniyama-Shimura conjecture
Unique factorization
Prime number
Modular form
Elliptic curve
...(sorry too lazy to list, but to score full marks there's a list of 147 terms/names which you need to include in your response)

 

[gnrlies]

Originally posted by jayz
i really hope this 'discussion' is not turning to an argument about english. The point i am trying to 'present & persuade', is the fact that board of studies is partially discriminating against the non-good english background speakers by making every subject that's not 'compulsorily' involving '100%' english, 'standard' english.(if u talk to HSC markers u will understand the siginificane of "VERBS"-(i.e. english))

by the way, in reply to 'theres no pt in doing the maths when u dun even know the theory that the maths is based on'.
I wouldn't agree more to your pt, but u do realise that there is no pt learning the theory when it doesn't apply to anything near to practicability(i.e. making money, and please don't tell me 'then don't learn it then!'), other than the high school certificate.
(i mean, yes, i really enjoy 'gather, process and analyse information to identify some of the energy transfers and tranformations involving the conversion of electrical energy into more useful forms in the home and industry')

i am not an anti-physicist or a anti-english student.(this statement is not suppose to be ironic!)

I dont see how it is being discriminatory.

I mean what would you expect? That they run the course in every languag that exists?

I think that the english used in the course is nothing more than should be expected from anyone who wishes to take up schooling in australia (if you have a problem with it go home! - thats my opinion on it anyway)

As far as it having too much theory, well i think that it is a good thing. I mean the topics it deals with needs to have such theory. I mean what would be the point of doing the special relativity equations without knowing what they mean or signify!

Same with all of the other stuff...

 

[Affinity]

As far as it having too much theory, well i think that it is a good thing. I mean the topics it deals with needs to have such theory. I mean what would be the point of doing the special relativity equations without knowing what they mean or signify!

You are mistaken, There isn't much theory in the course, the theory they teach is very shallow, the only things which are abundant are 1. Jargon, and 2. History.

to prove my point,

The dot point on the rocket scientists -> superfluous, physics is not about learning the life of a person is it?

Einstein and plancks debate about science's role -> this is philosophy, not physics.

Assess the impact on the society of such and such -> look, we can give our opinions in a subject like history/politics/english. don't contaminate physics.

I don't know about other schools, but in mine, the teachers over-emphasise on getting the history right instead of the concepts.

They spend time worrying over whether Einstein imagined lightning hitting both end of the trains or imagined lightbeams originating from the middle of a train(in one of his thought experiments).

Don't attempt to dismiss my point by saying I hate history or something - I study extension history, and I can use the jargon in physics "appropriately".

 

[gnrlies]

ok thats a valid point

i do agree that the course has a lot of shit in it that i dont think should be in it, but then i wouldn't say it was excessive. Or at least no more than any other subject...

i guess they just want to have background on who did what in physics.

in my school there is only the bare minimum taught as to this history stuff. Like we know what we need to get full marks in the exam, but our main focus is definately the content...

but yeah, if you look at other subjects like business studies there is all sorts of shit like that. I mean they have to put on a legal and ethical issues thing to every chapter!