2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Rudd? (2 Viewers)

[BlackDragon]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

its just like the labour party to wreck the vague chance they had of getting into office by having a leader row and swap. if they change leaders, there will be 100% no way they will win the election. but its good, because if people didn't realise that it wasn't going to work if they won they should now. they've probably already wrecked their chance already. couldn't they have just shut up for the greater good of their party? obviously not..

 

[Rafy]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

Opponents within say Beazley's time is up
Labor's less than perfectest day


Beazley folds on frontbench reshuffle
Beazley ready to shuffle (opinion)

KIM Beazley is expected to reshuffle his front bench after Christmas, dumping some of his old guard from key positions and putting in new faces, including Peter Garrett, in a move to shore up his embattled leadership.
Labor MPs expect the Opposition Leader to survive the final parliamentary sitting, despite the continuing danger of a challenge, and to announce a new front bench late in January to launch Labor's election-year campaign.

Despite emphatically ruling out a reshuffle only two weeks ago, Mr Beazley is now considering changes that many Labor MPs believe are essential to head off much of the criticism of his leadership.

Labor frontbenchers were critical of Mr Beazley's iron-clad guarantee that he would not change his team before the election and his declaration that it did not need "freshening up". [...]

Speaking of Garrett, seems Bob Brown isn't a fan.
Brown sees red over Garrett's green credentials

 

[BlackDragon]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

its a pity you can't change your vote in these polls, cause then it would show current trends. in that, this poll has been going for ages and people might have changed opinion by now.

 

[BlackDragon]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

haha imagine if labour got in office, but the liberals controlled the senate? that would be a riot.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

haha imagine if labour got in office, but the liberals controlled the senate? that would be a riot.

Memories...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_constitutional_crisis_of_1975

 

[stoj89]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

Shall vote Liberal. (My seat of North Sydney is held by Joe Hockey by a significant margin)

This policy of abolishing AWAs has really turned me completely off Labor (albeit admittedly i did not view them favourablly to start with). They seem to posses a history of misguided spontaneous policy: troops home by christmas, GST rollback etc etc.

With the economy likely to begin a slight downturn in future years, a complete destruction of business confidence (as abolishing AWAs + other labor policies would likely do) is not helpful. Labor's economic credibility is not healthy, especially at a time that economic management is especially required. Labor may take the popularist position, but such policies are not desirable at this time.

If Labor did win, i suspect Beazley would last only a single term.

On another note, come the election i intend to make significant note of Labor's internet pornography proposal when attempting to sway my fellow student friends. Those still living at home would need to ask their parents to specifically unblock pornographic materials. (as under labor it would be opt-out, not opt-in of blocking at ISP level). Yes, Its insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but i think it may just sway some of the more politically apathetic students away from labor. Not to mention its a completely unworkable proposal.

At what cost will we go for the economy- peoples hours, pay, etc

 

[frog12986]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

The next question is will Beazely stay, or will he be challenged.. The following article indicates the latter..

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20849975-2,00.html

Personally, I think that it would be more risky to change leadership at this point. There is nothing more adverse to political parties in todays circumstances than internal volatility..

 

[Rafy]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

Right to Rudd: Bring it on now
Beazley in fight for job
Labor leadership in twilight zone

Beazley may not last another week

THE leading contender for the Labor Party leadership, Kevin Rudd, was last night considering a formal challenge against Kim Beazley within the next week.

For the first time since Mr Beazley was elected leader unanimously early last year, Mr Rudd is consulting caucus colleagues on the state of the leadership.

The Queensland frontbencher started to consider his position seriously only yesterday, weighing his prospects for a challenge, senior party sources said.

Mr Rudd's shift from passive to active takes Labor's leadership agonies from the speculative to the actual. It reflects a quickening crisis of confidence in Mr Beazley's leadership.

Mr Rudd strongly holds the view that the party's leadership should be resolved one way or the other within a week, before Parliament rises for the year.

Comment/opinion
Labor's moment of truth
Party poopers will never win power
Challenge will end frustration
Beazley needs to be more than a one-act IR show
Labor needs a change of heart, not a new head
IR protest rall fails to deliver for Labor

 

[Scanorama]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

I'd love to see Beazley gets kicked out by Rudd, though I prefer Gillard as the leader more. Labor won't win with Beazley, why not gives others a go, it won't hurt.

 

[withoutaface]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

I'd love to see Beazley gets kicked out by Rudd, though I prefer Gillard as the leader more. Labor won't win with Beazley, why not gives others a go, it won't hurt.

The ALP's best chance is with Beazley, because lose him and you lose any stability and turn attention back the the ALP's rampant factionalism.

 

[karoooh]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

I like Rudd, but I don't think he should contest, no matter how much I dislike Beazley. It would've been preferable IMO, for Rudd to wait for Beazley to lose the next election and then have to back down, because Rudd could then take over, as someone had said elsewhere.

It just feels as though Rudd winning the leadership, right now, will turn into another Latham.

 

[Silver Persian]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

I dont think Rudd will end up being as crazy as Latham was...he seems more of a professional politician, who wouldn't make the mistake of beating up a taxi driver, or forgetting to comment on a tsunami. -_-

I kind of agree with scanorama...I doubt labour will win with Beazley, so it might be better to give Rudd a running start into the 2010ish election. Julia Gillard should be treasurer and deputy, Beazley on foreign affairs...can Rudd keep the foreign affairs portfolio if he became leader?

 

[ihavenothing]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

I like Rudd, I think he's got what it takes, is a strong supporter of Israel, may legalise civil unions or gay marriage and is much more competant, As for Beazley I think his time is up...I hate Tanya Plibersek for what she said about Harry Quick I believe he was one of the best local members I had ever had.

 

[kaviii]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

I like Rudd, I think he's got what it takes, is a strong supporter of Israel, may legalise civil unions or gay marriage and is much more competant, As for Beazley I think his time is up...I hate Tanya Plibersek for what she said about Harry Quick I believe he was one of the best local members I had ever had.

really?...now i dont know about supporting him now, i am more of a pro-arab person>im australian born singaporean chinese< i always thought left wing usually are more pro arab than pro-israel...but i still iwant to see julia gillard on the top job

 

[BlackDragon]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

yay. the labor party is self destructing! what idiots.. i mean the last thing they need now is a leader change. leader changes do not bring answers. ever. well, not like this, before an election. can't the stupid front benchers ignore their personal aspirations for the good of the party? obviously not..

 

[Iron]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

Despicable. Labor couldn't win before, but we were at least assured a handsome swing and keys to the Senate. Now I wont be at all surprised if the Coalition increases its primary, along with FF and the Greens, no matter what the result on Monday.

I concede that the Libs are undoubtedly the better party at present, in terms of talent, organization, leadership and energy. But a dominant and overconfident federal party is in no one’s interest.

 

[frog12986]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

AC Nielsen poll to be released tomorrow indicates ALP ahead on two party preferred terms 56-44%...

Interesting..

 

[Capitalist Scum]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

Labor betting odds have blown out somewhat leading up to this leadership challenge...

 

[wheredanton]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

yay. the labour party is self destructing! what idiots.. i mean the last thing they need now is a leader change. leader changes do not bring answers. ever. well, not like this, before an election. can't the stupid front benchers ignore their personal aspirations for the good of the party? obviously not..

To the dumb arse slow learner.

'Labor' not 'Labour'.

 

[Nick Minchin]

Re: 2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

Labor betting odds have blown out somewhat leading up to this leadership challenge...

"There's no money for Beazley to lead Labor at the federal election and there's no money for the opposition, whoever is its leader, to win the federal election," says Centrebet's Mark Worwood.

Labor win: 2.75 (from 2.37)
Coalition win: 1.40 (from 1.53).

http://www.ozpolitics.info/election2007/betchart-probs.png