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2007 Federal Election - Coalition or Labor/Howard or Rudd? (4 Viewers)

Coalition or Labor/Howard or Beazley?

  • Coalition

    Votes: 249 33.3%
  • Labor

    Votes: 415 55.5%
  • Still undecided

    Votes: 50 6.7%
  • Apathetic

    Votes: 34 4.5%

  • Total voters
    748

Nebuchanezzar

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I've also noticed that the conservative/right tends to be a little more aggressive outside of uni. Prolly all the elderly folks. I was doing pre polling the other day and was having a nice friendly chat to this moderate oldish couple, who then left halfway through my shift to be replaced by a crusty old man who had nothing but contempt for me from the get go.

Me: "Hi how're you doing?"
Crusty old man: "Yeah ok. Gonna lose the election eh?"
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Don't really see too many people ALP/neutral people refusing Liberal brochures like the Lib/neutral people refuse ALP brochures as well. Thought that might have something to do with my living in a liberal safe seat.
 

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atreus said:
suddenly if someone wants to vote labor, they are an idiot. i have spoken to heaps of liberal supporters who have no idea what they are voting for, so to say that the brain dead vote for labor is a huge misconception.

on top of this, if u ever raise voting labor with a liberal supporter u get your head bitten off. any criticism of their policies is met with abuse and scare tactics. and yet when i speak to most labor supporters, they respect someones's decision to vote liberal, even though they will try to persuade them to change their mind. why the difference between the two groups?

if the government changes, the coalition will not take it easily. u can already see the desperation with the allegations of the 13 'ineligible' labor candidates, and all the other fear campaigns. they are starting to look really pathetic.
So its just easier to vote Coalition, Woo!
 

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Voted today. Very emotional. Had a bit of a cry. Bring on the new dawn - the age of GEN Y!
 

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I wonder who will do Howard's parliamentary portrait? I look forward to it
 

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Bit of a tl;dr for most users probably, but this is a fairly nice non-partisan column by Alan Oakley in the smh.

smh 21/11/07 said:
VOTERS are being invited to decide this election on issues that polls say they feel matter most: the economy, workplace laws, John Howard's promised retirement. Some of those are indeed important but they are not the only issues facing Australia that voters should be informed about before polling day. Far from it.

Only the Greens have been making much of the most glaring foreign policy issue: that Australia has troops at risk in a war whose justification has been a long-running piece of improvisation by the Coalition. Nor have we heard much about the AWB scandal, although it has been a year since the Cole inquiry recommended prosecutions against 16 individuals. These are issues the Coalition has motives to portray as water under the bridge. But they should be further debated and scrutinised because there are clearly similar challenges ahead and we need to know governments will be properly advised by the public servants, intelligence agencies and defence chiefs.

Is support of the US alliance sufficient ground for committing Australian troops to war when the cause is otherwise unclear or contested? Would Australia get involved in an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities? One respected defence analyst, Professor Hugh White, of the Australian National University, has predicted the Western effort in Afghanistan will fail without a tenfold increase in resources and indefinite commitment. So what do our leaders believe success looks like in this campaign?

Defence is another tacit truce area. Labor says it will honour the equipment contracts entered by the Howard Government, despite the evidence that some of these - notably the $6 billion-plus Super Hornet fighter fleet - were signed by the Minister for Defence, Brendan Nelson, in the teeth of advice from the relevant service chiefs, and are at an early stage when cancellations are possible without huge cost. Nor is Labor making much of the Howard shift to the "army first" school of defence, promoting the role of expeditionary forces, when this has been consciously fashioned in large part to disparage the "Defence of Australia" doctrine forged in the Hawke-Keating era.

There are many big foreign policy questions that will be arcane for most voters, such as nuclear proliferation and the export of uranium. But many will wonder why so many crises have erupted closer to home in recent years. Can Australia do more to guide and help the young nations from East Timor to Fiji? Is Alexander Downer's self-proclaimed "tough" approach to Pacific leaders the answer? Will either side of politics tell us whether it would follow the successful New Zealand trial of a Pacific Islands guest worker scheme? What would a Labor government do about the so-called Pacific solution for asylum seekers?

Domestically, no party has expressed interest in a cities policy, yet Sydney in particular displays the consequences of neglect and poor planning. As we have argued previously, state governments are no longer able to finance the public transport needed to ensure sustainable, liveable cities for the coming century. The Commonwealth will have to step in. The Coalition and Labor have announced urban transport projects, drawing on funds from the AusLink program. These are welcome but they are piecemeal, devised with at least as much attention to the electorates they affect as to the general community. A cities policy would place essential transport infrastructure at the heart of a planning and environmental policy to improve life in our cities in a time of rapid growth and climate change.

The need for constitutional reform has also been sidelined, even though both parties continue to promise more intervention in areas that are nominally state responsibilities, such as health and education. As the Coalition was seeking to demonstrate its undiminished vigour before the campaign officially began, the Prime Minister made a point of announcements that crossed the constitutional boundary: the Murray-Darling plan and the takeover of Devonport's Mersey Hospital were two noteworthy initiatives. The first has been stymied - so far - by state objections. The second was well intended but hastily thought out and, without further elaboration, risks making the federal-state health muddle worse. Perhaps that is the Prime Minister's plan - to make the shortcomings of the existing arrangements plain for all to see so there will be widespread backing for root-and-branch change. But the need for change is already broadly acknowledged on all sides. Labor has made a vague gesture in this direction, appointing an advisory group, but no concrete proposals have emerged in this campaign. What are the plans of the main parties?

Hardest of all for either side to discuss is the ever-growing influence of money on our politics: without copious campaign donations, parties and candidates struggle to be heard. With them, there is always the doubt that influence has been bought. Where independents (the late Peter Andren prominent among them) have managed to overcome this, they have contributed enormously to the diversity and effectiveness of parliament. A new government, of either stamp, could impress voters by limiting the scope of money politics.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/editoria...-mores-the-pity/2007/11/20/1195321777631.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/editoria...the-pity/2007/11/20/1195321777631.html?page=2
 

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Final Galaxy poll:

ALP 52 - 48 Coalition 2PP
 

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Silver Persian said:
Hmmm...Galaxy has been lower than Newspoll and AC Nielsen all year hasn't it?
Basically, yeah. Apparently tomorrow's ACNielsen will be 55-45.
 

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Final ACNielsen 57/43.

Looks like a bit of an outlier.
Final Newspoll should be out late tonight. (and Final Morgan tomorrow afternoon)
 

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Two more bits of foreign media: The Economist has one of its online correspondents' diaries which will be updated throughout the week, and CFR.org has an analysis of the increasing influence of immigrants in Australian politics. I assume that the Economist will give an endorsment in the issue coming out tomorrow, as they did last election.

Anyone care to guess the papers' endorsements? Here are mine:
Courier-Mail: Rudd
Hun: Howard
SMH: Rudd (probably, although the SMH isn't actually that strong in the Labor endorsements field)
Age: Rudd
Canberra Times: Rudd
AFR: God knows, probably Rudd
Tiser: Howard
Mercury: Rudd
West Australian: Howard (almost certainly)
Economist: Rudd? Hard to call.
 
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SMH won't endorse anyone as per their policy.

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Courier-Mail: Rudd
Hun: Howard: re: http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5763760,00.jpg
Age: Rudd (AKA Socalist's Times, they've been taken over by an anti-Semite)
Canberra Times: Rudd
Advertiser : Howard
Mercury: Rudd
West Australian: Howard
AFR and The Economist: Will have the same candidate, I'm sure. Although Economist will be a bit late considering Australia doesn't get the print issue on newsstands by Sunday and delivered to subscribers on Monday in the mail.

zimmerman8k said:
More Australians base their vote on The Economist than on any other source.
haha
 
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That's a galaxy poll which everyone holds to be bullshit just fyi.
 

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You said it jb nc.

Triangulum said:
Also: the Telegraph will be endorsing Rudd tomorrow, saying that Rudd is future-focused and good on education and environment, whereas Howard is past his use-by date (they also talk about Howard's plans to retire being an insult to voters' intelligence or something).
Haha. Holy shit! The Telegraph actually endorsing a Labor candidate? Outrageous!
 

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SMH:
The Coalition has served Australia well with many necessary reforms, but those are now past. It makes no compelling case for re-election. Under its current leadership it appears unwilling to respond to the new and growing challenges Australia faces. We do not know how it would deal with them.

We believe this country must, for now, look elsewhere for that response - to Kevin Rudd, and the Labor Party.
Oz:
While we are mindful of the economic dangers posed by a resurgent trade union movement, we do not believe Mr Rudd poses an obvious threat to Australia's financial wellbeing. We are encouraged by his determination to pick his own cabinet.

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Mr Howard is offering a safe pair of hands but, in reality, they are not his own. His campaign has been weakened by mixed messages about economic growth and turbulence as well as confusion over the handover to Mr Costello some time in the next term.

Mr Rudd's attention to process, including a determination to push ahead with plans to improve the living conditions of indigenous Australians, is impressive. So too is his pledge to make sure his ministers and bureaucrats keep in touch by meeting regularly outside of Canberra.

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The truth is we are not so interested in one side of politics or the other. We advocate a set of principles that have motivated us for 40 years: an open economy, markets, international engagement, reform of the federation and labour market deregulation. With the caveat of industrial relations, Mr Rudd shares many of our reform ideals. We believe it is a new century and that Australia deserves a leader who reflects Australia's character and position in a rapidly changing world and fast-growing region.

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We believe the incumbent Government has been a good manager but has not done much with the prosperity with which the nation has been blessed during its watch. Mr Howard and his team have a proven track record but, to us, they have run out of energy. Their campaign is a signal of their torpor. Mr Rudd has spoken of recapturing some of the reform zeal of the Hawke and Keating years, the economic benefits of which are still being felt. There is much detail missing from Mr Rudd's promised reform revolution, especially in education and health, but we believe he has the administrative experience to manage constructive change. We recognise that no change is free of risk, but we recommend a vote for Mr Rudd.
 

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