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Regarding the Palestinians apparently 'celebrating' the attacks: Who do you refer too?. Al-CIA-da, or the Palestinian people and civilians.

Also Osama was a CIA agent and Al-CIA-da was funded by the U.S to oppose Russia in the 1970's.

Evidence points towards 9/11 being an inside job and a controlled demolition anyway.


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Regarding the Palestinians apparently 'celebrating' the attacks: Who do you refer too?. Al-CIA-da, or the Palestinian people and civilians.

Also Osama was a CIA agent and Al-CIA-da was funded by the U.S to oppose Russia in the 1970's.

Evidence points towards 9/11 being an inside job and a controlled demolition anyway.


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Are... are you serious?
 

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Yes. very serious. Research it thoroughly.

Type these terms into google:

9/11 Truth
We Are Change

And watch these movies on Google Video:

Terrorstorm

ENDGAME

Loose Change Final Cut


Regarding Al-CIA-ada:

Declassified plus well known.

Regarding Osama:

As with Al-CIA-da. declassified and well known facts.
 

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Okay, no evidence at all points to that except for batshit insane people

*cites pretty much everyone*

You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Besides which, most of the Arab and Muslim world condemned the 9/11 attacks as being ghastly acts of violence, according to one Fawaz A. Gerges, in his book Journey of a Jihadist. For the record, he's a Lebanese-born American professor at Columbia University.
 

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Yeah Al-Qaeda and OBL were related to the CIA in Afghanistan, we know this.

9/11 was an act of terror by OBL and Islamic Terrorists. This is irrefutable.
You have to admit though that it is an interesting conspiracy, and unlike most conspiracies it does have some vague sense of logic about it, as long you disregard the American government potentially having any morals. Which considering Bush and his bat-shit insane Evangelical worldview, isn't too much of a stretch.
 

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Schroedinger: You're a smart person. I beg you to watch those movies and research what I said and to then tell me what you think.
 

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The whole fucking 9/11 inside job shit came from Iran and Shia Muslims to discredit OBL and Sunnis.

For fuck's sake.
Dude, Osama's a Sunni.

EDIT: Scrap that, i just worked out what OBL stands for.
 

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You have to admit though that it is an interesting conspiracy, and unlike most conspiracies it does have some vague sense of logic about it, as long you disregard the American government potentially having any morals. Which considering Bush and his bat-shit insane Evangelical worldview, isn't too much of a stretch.
Watergate, QED.
 

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Also the evidence for 9/11 being an inside job are unbelievable.

1) AWOL Chain of Command
a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying. 2) Air Defense Failures
a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
c. Was there an air defense standdown?
3) Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?

4) Wargames
a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.
b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?

5) Flight 93
Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)? Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why? Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?


THE DAY - POSSIBLE SMOKING GUNS
6) Did cell phones work at 30,000 feet in 2001? How many hijackings were attempted? How many flights were diverted?
7) Demolition Hypothesis
What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane? Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives? (See "The Case for Demolitions," the websites wtc7.net and 911research.wtc7.net, and the influential article by physicist Steven Jones. See also items no. 16 and 24, below.)

FOREKNOWLEDGE & THE ALLEGED HIJACKERS

8) What did officials know? How did they know it?
a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.
b. Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.
c. Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.

9) Able Danger, Plus - Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers
a. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities - including the CIA, the US military''s "Able Danger" program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence and others.
b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another coincidence. 10) Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11
A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration''s order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O''Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators. (Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.)

11) Insider Trading
a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.
b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.
c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

12) Who were the perpetrators?
a. Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker, found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.
b. The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles," all of which is omitted from official investigations.
c. What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)? Source: Probe identifies 50 in terrorism plot -- chicagotribune.com


THE 9/11 COVER-UP, 2001-2006
13) Who Is Osama Bin Ladin?
a. Who judges which of the many conflicting and dubious statements and videos attributed to Osama Bin Ladin are genuine, and which are fake? The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department''s translation of it is fraudulent.
b. Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? Was he receiving dialysis in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (CBS)?
c. Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why is Osama always allowed to escape?
d. The terror network associated with Osama, known as the "base" (al-Qaeda), originated in the CIA-sponsored 1980s anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan. When did this network stop serving as an asset to covert operations by US intelligence and allied agencies? What were its operatives doing in Kosovo, Bosnia and Chechnya in the years prior to 9/11?

14) All the Signs of a Systematic 9/11 Cover-up
a. Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.
b. US officials consistently suppressed and destroyed evidence (like the tapes recorded by air traffic controllers who handled the New York flights).
c. Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out.
d. Officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.

15) Poisoning New York
The White House deliberately pressured the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe. This knowingly contributed to an as-yet unknown number of health cases and fatalities, and demonstrates that the administration does consider the lives of American citizens to be expendable on behalf of certain interests.
16) Disposing of the Crime Scene
The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics. (See also item no. 23, below.)
17) Anthrax
Mailings of weapons-grade anthrax - which caused a practical suspension of the 9/11 investigations - were traced back to US military stock. Soon after the attacks began in October 2001, the FBI approved the destruction of the original samples of the Ames strain, disposing of perhaps the most important evidence in identifying the source of the pathogens used in the mailings. Were the anthrax attacks timed to coincide with the Afghanistan invasion? Why were the letters sent only to media figures and to the leaders of the opposition in the Senate (who had just raised objections to the USA PATRIOT Act)?

decades.
b. 9/11 was used as the pretext to create a new, extra-constitutional executive authority to declare anyone an "enemy combatant" (including American citizens), to detain persons indefinitely without habeas corpus, and to "render" such persons to secret prisons where torture is practiced.


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33) Legal Trillions
9/11 triggers a predictable shift of public spending to war, and boosts public and private spending in the "new" New Economy of "Homeland Security," biometrics, universal surveillance, prisons, civil defense, secured enclaves, security, etc.

34) Plundered Trillions?
On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld announced a "war on waste" after an internal audit found that the Pentagon was "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars in unaccounted assets. On September 11th, this was as good as forgotten.
35) Did 9/11 prevent a stock market crash?
Did anyone benefit from the destruction of the Securities and Exchange Commission offices at WTC 7, and the resultant crippling of hundreds of fraud investigations?
36) Resource Wars
a. What was discussed in the Energy Task Force meetings under Dick Cheney in 2001? Why is the documentation of these meetings still being suppressed?
b. Is Peak Oil a motive for 9/11 as inside job?
37) The "Little Game"
Why was the WTC privatized just before its destruction?


HISTORY
38) "Al-CIA-da?"
The longstanding relationship between US intelligence networks and radical Islamists, including the network surrounding Osama Bin Ladin. (See also point 13d.)

39) Historical Precedents for "Synthetic Terror"
a. In the past many states, including the US government, have sponsored attacks on their own people, fabricated the "cause for war," created (and armed) their own enemies of convenience, and sacrificed their own citizens for "reasons of state."
b. Was 9/11 an update of the Pentagon-approved "Project Northwoods" plan for conducting self-inflicted, false-flag terror attacks in the United States, and blaming them on a foreign enemy?

40) Secret Government
a. The record of criminality and sponsorship of coups around the world by the covert networks based within the US intelligence complex.
b. Specifically also: The evidence of crime by Bush administration principals and their associates, from October Surprise to Iran-Contra and the S&L plunder to PNAC, Enron/Halliburton and beyond.
 

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Watergate, QED.
Precisely. Although Watergate didn't involve the large-scale slaughter of innocents. But Bush is motivated by that most irrational of all beliefs: religion.
 

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This can't be called a conspiracy!

It's declassified and FACT.

Denying it because you can't blame 'Palestinians' for it is so low.
 

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I recommend you read the book: debunking 911 debunking An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory
 

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This can't be called a conspiracy!

It's declassified and FACT.

Denying it because you can't blame 'Palestinians' for it is so low.
Why isn't the actual story enough of a conspiracy? Terrorists who snuck into the country took flying lessons, before simultaneously hijacking four planes, using boxcutters and flying them into the two pillars of America.
 

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The whole point is that the story goes deeper than a bunch of terrorists 'sneaking in' and using box cutters. Look at the evidence I have cited. Research it. Then we'll talk.
 

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If you're interested in maths please read it and prove us wrong.

Conclusions said:
If the total internal energy loss during the crushing of one
story representing the energy dissipated by the complete
crushing and compaction of one story, minus the loss of
gravity potential during the crushing of that story exceeds
the kinetic energy impacted to that story, collapse will continue
to the next story. This is the criterion of progressive
collapse trigger Eq. 5. If it is satisfied, there is no way to
deny the inevitability of progressive collapse driven by gravity
alone regardless of by how much the combined strength
of columns of one floor may exceed the weight of the part of
the tower above that floor. What matters is energy, not the
strength, nor stiffness.
 

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No. And I do not claim to be an Engineer. The pancake theory is utterly ridiculous. Never before in history has something like a 'pancake collapse' occured. Much of the so called evidence supporting this rubbish was made to fit the lies.
 

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No. And I do not claim to be an Engineer. The pancake theory is utterly ridiculous. Never before in history has something like a 'pancake collapse' occured. Much of the so called evidence supporting this rubbish was made to fit the lies.
Dude, there's fucking video of it collapsing like a pancake. What more proof of a pancake collapse do you need.
 

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Who said anything about pancake collapse? Do you know anything about collisions?
 

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If your good Engineers, which I am sure you are, have a look at how a building collapses when controlled demolition occurs. EXACTLY like the WTC did. Look at how quickly it fell. AT the speed of gravity. That is not NORMAL. No matter what the 'maths' shows.
 

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