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[nerdasdasd]

That is probably the greatest combo for banking if you get 80 plus wam in both.

Mate, I'm only a 2nd year so can't comment on the whole neyworking your way up except from what I've heard from people i know working there. But essentially one of them was just really tight with the transactions team (out every couple of weeks etc) so when se applied they literally just put in a huggeee word for her and got in.

Like i said don't worry too much. If you are able to maintain a hd average in first year usyd and go to every fmaa networkong event, i truely admire you, but definitely focus on building up cv first before those.

Doesn't that make it unfair for people with no connections then?

 

[enoilgam]

Doesn't that make it unfair for people with no connections then?

Yes, but that's life to be perfectly honest - a lot of things in the workplace are unfair.

 

[RishBonjour99]

Doesn't that make it unfair for people with no connections then?

Not at all. You are supposed to build connections and if you dont, thats your loss.
That's just the nature of things. Even with university. Even if you are the hardest working student, you probably won't perform as well as someone who is connected and gets heaps of resources from older mates.

And get linkedin op. For us younger guys it is always good to see the pathways other people took to get into your desired job etc plus maintain connections from corporate event (i.e. people you would prefer not to have on fb etc)

 

[seremify007]

You never know where people you've met or worked with before will end up. That being said your profile and connections will say a lot about you and impact the related people also visible on your profile so don't be afraid to be selective.

 

[obliviousninja]

Doesn't that make it unfair for people with no connections then?

Well are you going to sit here and do nothing?

 

[nerdasdasd]

Well are you going to sit here and do nothing?

Nah of course you have to work for it

 

[enoilgam]

Well are you going to sit here and do nothing?

I think he is talking more about people with family and friends as connections, as opposed to those who build relationships on their own.

I personally dont think "Uncle Bob is a partner at X firm and he is going to get me a job" is really networking. That's just nepotism to be honest. Networking is where you meet people and form links on your own volition.

 

[Drifting95]

I think he is talking more about people with family and friends as connections, as opposed to those who build relationships on their own.

I personally dont think "Uncle Bob is a partner at X firm and he is going to get me a job" is really networking. That's just nepotism to be honest. Networking is where you meet people and form links on your own volition.

Reminds me of this. First character.

 

[enoilgam]

Reminds me of this. First character.

Not that far off the truth to be honest - the legal field is high in nepotism and socio-economic bias (most candidates who get interviews seem to come from either the North Shore or Eastern Suburbs).

 

[Futuremedstudent]

Not that far off the truth to be honest - the legal field is high in nepotism and socio-economic bias (most candidates who get interviews seem to come from either the North Shore or Eastern Suburbs).

and how do you know that? if you're right, show me some stats or evidence.

 

[Drifting95]

and how do you know that? if you're right, show me some stats or evidence.

Not sure if srs, firms wouldn't publish/let people research on this shit. The only information you'll hear is how "diverse" an employer's workplace is, ever been to a big 4 networking event?

Enoil is speaking from experience. Going through assessment days gives you a good perspective of these things and i think it is unreasonable to ask for "evidence"

 

[ameher]

Not that far off the truth to be honest - the legal field is high in nepotism and socio-economic bias (most candidates who get interviews seem to come from either the North Shore or Eastern Suburbs).

Tbh i see where you're coming from to an extent. However, i currently work in the legal field and have a diverse range of people from different socio-economic classes working at the firm. and this a cbd based firm also.

 

[enoilgam]

and how do you know that? if you're right, show me some stats or evidence.

That was probably a massive generalisation from me, but when I was working for a top-tier firm I couldnt help but notice that most applicants who made interviews came from wealthy areas (I'd say 80%).

Tbh i see where you're coming from to an extent. However, i currently work in the legal field and have a diverse range of people from different socio-economic classes working at the firm. and this a cbd based firm also.

I dont know if my experiences link up to the legal industry as a whole, but I couldnt help but notice an underlying sense of elitism where I worked.

 

[RishBonjour99]

That was probably a massive generalisation from me, but when I was working for a top-tier firm I couldnt help but notice that most applicants who made interviews came from wealthy areas (I'd say 80%).



I dont know if my experiences link up to the legal industry as a whole, but I couldnt help but notice an underlying sense of elitism where I worked.

Maybe because quite a large proportion of those in usyd law are from North shore etc and also happen to have great grades? I think a large part of the rich white kids could be mere coincidence. Most of the people topping law at usyd are white and they would make up a bulk of the serious applications at top tier law firms i assume.

Were you in the hr division or working in a particular department?

 

[enoilgam]

Maybe because quite a large proportion of those in usyd law are from North shore etc and also happen to have great grades? I think a large part of the rich white kids could be mere coincidence. Most of the people topping law at usyd are white and they would make up a bulk of the serious applications at top tier law firms i assume.

Were you in the hr division or working in a particular department?

I was in HR. I dont know, I still think there is a lot of talent beyond "rich white kids" and there is always that subtle bias which exists. You never know.

 

[seremify007]

That was probably a massive generalisation from me, but when I was working for a top-tier firm I couldnt help but notice that most applicants who made interviews came from wealthy areas (I'd say 80%).

It might also be just your firm in particular which has a bias to certain universities. I have noticed in some of the big (in Aus) law firms there were quite a lot of Asian clerks/graduates joining, and then there's also the King of world mergers which embraces it's diverse culture? That being said, I also went to UNSW

(subtle eh?)

 

[Zeref]

Are there a lot of opportunities for EC during uni that will pop up or do most come from self seeking/research?

 

[OzKo]

Are there a lot of opportunities for EC during uni that will pop up or do most come from self seeking/research?

ECs are practically thrown at uni students through clubs & societies.

 

[Zeref]

ECs are practically thrown at uni students through clubs & societies.

So would it be fair to say that if you dont have any ECs ur screwed but at the same time it won't make u stand out unless you cured cancer or something.

 

[enoilgam]

It might also be just your firm in particular which has a bias to certain universities. I have noticed in some of the big (in Aus) law firms there were quite a lot of Asian clerks/graduates joining, and then there's also the King of world mergers which embraces it's diverse culture? That being said, I also went to UNSW

(subtle eh?)

It wasn't really universities, they did have a pretty good spread in that sense. It was more the geographical spread of applicants which stood out to me. There is however a trend though with Asian clerks, mainly because the Asia-Pacific market is taking off and firms are looking for graduates who can speak an Asian language (which to me is fair because they are being selected based on a skill).

So would it be fair to say that if you dont have any ECs ur screwed but at the same time it won't make u stand out unless you cured cancer or something.

Anything is good on your CV provided that it has substance and you can sell it in an interview. That being said, I found ECs to be overrated in terms of graduate roles and vastly overrated when it comes to entry level stuff. I had some decent ECs (nothing special), but most graduate programs I interviewed with seemed far more interested in my industry experience. Maybe it was because I didnt have anything too special, but I could definitely sell them well in an interview. Entry level employers have almost zero interest in ECs - relevant experience is all they care about (I know it doesn't make sense, but that's the way it is). I know that with Law graduates, ECs don't count for much at all - the focus there is primarily centred on grades and legal experience (I cant comment further, but I have seen the metrics used to grade candidates).