Academic extension in non-selective schools (1 Viewer)

[kini mini]

Originally posted by timmii


Nahhh, i was good mates with the year 7s I had the dubious pleasure of being placed as a "supervisor" of their locker areas. I saw more of them during year 12, and was more "in" with their gossip than with that occuring within my own year. Mind you, they had a lot more exciting stuff happening than we did. Year 12 conversation topics ranged from assessments to formal dresses/dates back to assessments and then back to formal dresses/dates ad nauseum

Really? Not that we didn't talk about that too, but some of my fondest year 12 memories are of the conservatives v liberals v communists arguments we used to have . Especially in maths . But I spent most of year 12 recesses and lunchtimes playing 500 anyway .

I think you may have misconstrued slightly what i meant before. Our grade was pretty fragmented in the younger years, and although we coalesced to a significant extent yr 11/12, by virtue of certain people being the same ones you saw in your classes and with whom you had the common conversation topic of assessments (see above) a minor distinction did develop. 1 more very succinctly summarised it by remarking that we never really/saw spoke to anyone who did standard english. It wasn't a conscious thing on the part of us nor of the standard ppl - it just happened.

I see what you mean, I didn't really know any standard eng people either. The common assessments thing was a little easier for me because with 13u if there's an assessment on odds are it's yours , so it wasn't as if I only knew humanities people or sciences people.

I knew over 50% of the Classical Greek candidature though, and I'm a modern languages person .

 

[timmii]

Originally posted by kini mini


Really? Not that we didn't talk about that too, but some of my fondest year 12 memories are of the conservatives v liberals v communists arguments we used to have . Especially in maths .

Yeah i got pretty sick of the assessments/formal talk pretty quickly. My fave conversations related to current affairs. The farcical events of the democrats and the subsequent amusement it provided for us created some pretty fond memories, as did 1 more's and mine enthusiasm for cnnnn, glasshouse etc

I see what you mean, I didn't really know any standard eng people either. The common assessments thing was a little easier for me because with 13u if there's an assessment on odds are it's yours , so it wasn't as if I only knew humanities people or sciences people.

haha, we knew them, we just didn't socialise with them. Does that make us bad people? Yes, 13 units *does* do wonders for your social life

I knew over 50% of the Classical Greek candidature though, and I'm a modern languages person .

lol, now you're being even more judgemental than out standard/advanced english divide...modern/classical languages - trust that from a gps boy! So uhhh, how many does "over 50%" actually constitute? You're sounding eerily similar to the dodgy statistics my school publicises: e.g 82% of subject x achieved over 86% or 100% achieved over 94% in subject y (there were only 4 in the class!)

Disraeli: "Lies, damned lies and statistics"

 

[kini mini]

Originally posted by timmii

haha, we knew them, we just didn't socialise with them. Does that make us bad people?

Don't ask me, I'm even more biased than you are

lol, now you're being even more judgemental than out standard/advanced english divide...modern/classical languages - trust that from a gps boy!

What does being a GPS boy have to do with it? I had to fight against an air of contempt towards modern languages at school LOL! You should have seen my year 7 Latin teacher's face when I told him I was dropping it for German. "Are you really sure you want to do that?" . It wasn't that I didn't do well in them, I thought they were a waste of time . I might even say I know a guy now in commerce/law at USyd who wasted 6 units of his time, to take an extreme example.

So uhhh, how many does "over 50%" actually constitute? You're sounding eerily similar to the dodgy statistics my school publicises: e.g 82% of subject x achieved over 86% or 100% achieved over 94% in subject y (there were only 4 in the class!)

Disraeli: "Lies, damned lies and statistics"

I knew 8 out of the 14 . That's over 50%. Not bad is it? I'm looking forward to creative accounting classes.

Hmm, Grammar doesn't publish those stats as far as I know. Pity, the rumour that our year was crap just keeps coming back, I'd like to see for myself.

 

[timmii]

Yeah we have a similar rumour...except ours isn't so much a rumour as widely-accepted fact. I actually saw your grammar newsletter, I was so surprised that they didn't even name the 100s or make any specific references to those who did well!!!

 

[kini mini]

Originally posted by timmii
Yeah we have a similar rumour...except ours isn't so much a rumour as widely-accepted fact. I actually saw your grammar newsletter, I was so surprised that they didn't even name the 100s or make any specific references to those who did well!!!

The only way to get a specific mention is to be in an Olympiad team or something like that . No list of people who topped subjects, no naming of 100s. Maybe it's part of the disdain SGS has for the HSC .

Come to think of it, that was a mourning newsletter as well so a self-congratulatory tone would have been totally inappropriate.

 

[MiuMiu]

what were you mourning?

 

[Frigid]

Personally, I don't think it's going to work for two reasons:

a) Those academically gifted and/or talented (there's a difference, supposedly) tend to do way across the spectrum... it's not often that a student will be super-talented in maths, and totally atrocious in english, or science for that matter... which leads to my next point...

b) Those who are talented would have been snatched up by selective or scholarship system in year 6 - 7... those who are still left hanging halfway would have been caught in the following years anyway... remember after year 7 you don't need to do selective test, just interviews...

Mr. Carr, personally I believe this is just an election ploy of yours, to make comprehensive high schools look more competitive in the HSC so other people wouldn't feel so bad... Just keep pumping money into the selective systems, maybe open one or two more schools, and it's much better than spreading resources over many schools - the teachers and materials to cater for these students are better congregated...

What next? Sport-accelerated PE classes?

Oh, btw, those students in the picture don't look like year 8 science students to me - what the heck are they combusting?

 

[timmii]

Originally posted by kini mini


The only way to get a specific mention is to be in an Olympiad team or something like that . No list of people who topped subjects, no naming of 100s. Maybe it's part of the disdain SGS has for the HSC .

Come to think of it, that was a mourning newsletter as well so a self-congratulatory tone would have been totally inappropriate.

Disdain for the HSC? Why so?



and frigid - not everyone who is "talented" wants/or can go to an all-out selective school. Not everyone who got 100 or even 99+ went to ruse, nsbh, nsgh, hurlstone etc...So these ppl *must* exist! How on earth??? Election ploy it may be, but totally misguided i'm not so sure it is.

 

[kini mini]

Originally posted by YEAR12
what were you mourning?

The head of English died.

timmii: Disdain for the HSC? Why so?

Because of the changes to English and the sciences in particular, SGS would have dropped the HSC system and done an alternative whose name I've forgotten if USyd and UNSW had not categorically refused to accept those results.

frigid , the timing of the announcement makes it an election ploy without doubt, but it is no less effective for all that. He announced it at South Sydney High, where appropriately enough a primary school friend of mine who missed out on the OC and on a place in SBH got 99.5 and made the all-rounders list.

Is encouraging people who perhaps did not develop academically until they were older so pointless?

There are in fact sport-accelerated PE classes, they're called sports high schools.

 

[Generator]

'Those who are talented would have been snatched up by selective or scholarship system in year 6 - 7'

Ummm... Not every comprehensive or regular catholic high is linked, in some way, to a 'major' school...

I doubt that every talented student bothered with the selective test, or that they also tried to change schools after year 7.

Edit: Removed the pointless line from the end of the post.

 

[Frigid]

Ummm... Not every comprehensive or regular catholic high is linked, in some way, to a 'major' school...

I doubt that every talented student bothered with the selective test, or that they also tried to change schools after year 7.

Two points... they're about 30 or so selective schools to last count... that should cover everyone to within less than 20kms to nearest selective school in Sydney Metro Area... It's funny you should mention catholic schools because I don't see them as public schools; the academic extension covers non-selective public schools....

You seriously doubt student would be bothered? Well if they have the 'talent' and lack the will, then why would they still be talented (talented by the way, means top 10% performance)?

Remember, great results are 10% talent, 90% effort.

 

[tammer]

our school has been comprehensive for years and classes are graded from year 7. we now have some extension classes in year 7 & 8 and i never saw a problem with it when i was there. i was in the top classes in junior school and it never affected me. i was friends with other top students and some of the bottom students aswell. it didnt isolate anyone.

 

[Generator]

Originally posted by Frigid



You seriously doubt student would be bothered? Well if they have the 'talent' and lack the will, then why would they still be talented (talented by the way, means top 10% performance)?

Remember, great results are 10% talent, 90% effort.

Sorry to bring this topic to the top of the list...

Not every student wanted to attend a school where they may have been away from their friends, or one that was up to 50km away (in most cases).
Remember, people are able to put in that 90% at a regular school...

 

[tammer]

here here generator. i dont think you need a special school to do well. i went to the local primary school and local high school, and most of my friends did too, and i know people that did that and got extremely high 90s. you out in the effort and you can do as well as any private/accelerated student.

 

[Shocker_85]

we dont have any such facilities in our school!

 

[:: ck ::]

im in yr 11 atm
i got bloody yr 10's in my class and they dont know jackshit

the reason why half of them are boosted up is because their yradviser recommended the whole grade to try it out

omgawsh still not knowing basic yr10 algebra, some simple science etc... and they expect to be in my 3U maths chem and physics

i got bloody yr10s in each of my subjects its not funny... a few are naturally bright and deserve to be up there the others are total dumbasses and dont work they just chat all the way thru

shit thing at my skool they dont "see" if your a potential accelelerator student they give it to u anyway for anysubject as long as ur "mum signs a note"