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Hey, I know this is probably over asked but I was wondering what would happen in my case.

Let's say the marks sent by my school was 91 for me, the person 1 rank above, gets a mark sent by the school of 95. What would happen if everything else stays the same, except, she and I swap our HSC assessment mark, so I get 95 and she gets 91? What is the final HSC mark for both of us?

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I believe the other person would get 95 as her final internal mark and you would get 91 as your final internal mark because the other person is 1 rank above you, so they automatically receive a higher range mark.
 

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I believe the other person would get 95 as her final internal mark and you would get 91 as your final internal mark because the other person is 1 rank above you, so they automatically receive a higher range mark.
So those are final HSC marks?
 

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So those are final HSC marks?
The alignment process is also involved to determine the exam marks. The final HSC mark is then the average of your final assessment mark and your exam mark. E.g. if you receive 91 as your assessment mark and 95 as your exam mark, your final HSC mark will be 93.
 

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Are you only talking about swapping internal marks? If so, then that is trivial as you and the other person obviously just swap marks.

If you’re talking about having internal marks and then swapping places on external marks then that’s a little different.
 

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Are you only talking about swapping internal marks? If so, then that is trivial as you and the other person obviously just swap marks.

If you’re talking about having internal marks and then swapping places on external marks then that’s a little different.
Im talking about having internal marks and then swapping places on external marks, all else being equal.
 

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Im talking about having internal marks and then swapping places on external marks, all else being equal.
There is not enough information because you haven’t specified how the rest of your cohort performs in both internal vs external.

If we assume that the:
- shape of the distribution of your cohort‘s internal and external marks are the same
- there is no one between you and the other student both internally and externally

then it is likely you will both end up with the same final HSC mark (average of internal/external). If any of the above assumptions do not hold then the outcome may be different.
 

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Im talking about having internal marks and then swapping places on external marks, all else being equal.
well this happened for me in one of my subjects - we ended up with the same hsc mark once they averaged internal/external
 

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There is not enough information because you haven’t specified how the rest of your cohort performs in both internal vs external.

If we assume that the:
- shape of the distribution of your cohort‘s internal and external marks are the same
- there is no one between you and the other student both internally and externally

then it is likely you will both end up with the same final HSC mark (average of internal/external). If any of the above assumptions do not hold then the outcome may be different.
I see. So if the cohort did worse externally than internally, then I would get dragged down further than she would?
 

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I see. So if the cohort did worse externally than internally, then I would get dragged down further than she would?
If you two are close together in marks, you'd get the same thing in most instances. In this simplified case below, where you are spread apart far internally, but come first externally, you would probably get a lower internal mark to reflect the relative differences between peers.
Internal raw unadjusted school markExternalModerated internal mark (the one you see on your HSC)
A: 100
You: 72
C: 70
You: 90
A: 88
B: 60
A: 90
You: 62
B: 60
Numbers are all made up and this is an unlikely circumstance but yh
 

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If you two are close together in marks, you'd get the same thing in most instances. In this simplified case below, where you are spread apart far internally, but come first externally, you would probably get a lower internal mark to reflect the relative differences between peers.
Internal raw unadjusted school markExternalModerated internal mark (the one you see on your HSC)
A: 100
You: 72
C: 70
You: 90
A: 88
B: 60
A: 90
You: 62
B: 60
Numbers are all made up and this is an unlikely circumstance but yh
I see. What if the case is the following for internals (lets say for my chemistry)

Assessment 1- Depth Study: 40%Assessment 2: 30%Trials: 30%Final Weighted Mark
A: 100
Me: 75
C: 60
A:100
Me: 75
C:60
A:70
Me: 100
C: 60
A: 91
Me: 82.5
C: 60

In this case, would it not make sense for the school to put me up into 1st, because trials are the most accurate depiction of the HSC, or do schools just look at the final weighted marks when deciding everybody ranks?

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I see. What if the case is the following for internals (lets say for my chemistry)

Assessment 1- Depth Study: 40%Assessment 2: 30%Trials: 30%Final Weighted Mark
A: 100
Me: 75
C: 60
A:100
Me: 75
C:60
A:70
Me: 100
C: 60
A: 91
Me: 82.5
C: 60
In this case, would it not make sense for the school to put me up into 1st, because trials are the most accurate depiction of the HSC, or do schools just look at the final weighted marks when deciding everybody ranks?


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schools can't just do a switcheroo based on trials lmfao.
 

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If you two are close together in marks, you'd get the same thing in most instances. In this simplified case below, where you are spread apart far internally, but come first externally, you would probably get a lower internal mark to reflect the relative differences between peers.
Internal raw unadjusted school markExternalModerated internal mark (the one you see on your HSC)
A: 100
You: 72
C: 70
You: 90
A: 88
B: 60
A: 90
You: 62
B: 60
Numbers are all made up and this is an unlikely circumstance but yh
rank 1 doesnt get adjusted pre sure
 

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I see. What if the case is the following for internals (lets say for my chemistry)

Assessment 1- Depth Study: 40%Assessment 2: 30%Trials: 30%Final Weighted Mark
A: 100
Me: 75
C: 60
A:100
Me: 75
C:60
A:70
Me: 100
C: 60
A: 91
Me: 82.5
C: 60
In this case, would it not make sense for the school to put me up into 1st, because trials are the most accurate depiction of the HSC, or do schools just look at the final weighted marks when deciding everybody ranks?


Thanks
unlikely scenario but yh you can't be bumped up to first. afaik schools send weighted marks and ranks since the relative distances are used to moderate
 

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I see. What if the case is the following for internals (lets say for my chemistry)

Assessment 1- Depth Study: 40%Assessment 2: 30%Trials: 30%Final Weighted Mark
A: 100
Me: 75
C: 60
A:100
Me: 75
C:60
A:70
Me: 100
C: 60
A: 91
Me: 82.5
C: 60
In this case, would it not make sense for the school to put me up into 1st, because trials are the most accurate depiction of the HSC, or do schools just look at the final weighted marks when deciding everybody ranks?





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What you are suggesting would completely defeat the purpose of having other assessments lol

School assessments exist as they can cover skills specified in the syllabus beyond just a theory exam. For example, you can’t claim to be good at Chemistry if you are hopeless at applying theory into practice in a lab.
 

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What you are suggesting would completely defeat the purpose of having other assessments lol

School assessments exist as they can cover skills specified in the syllabus beyond just a theory exam. For example, you can’t claim to be good at Chemistry if you are hopeless at applying theory into practice in a lab.
Yeah, I get that, but it just seems a bit absurd to me how trials can be worth a maximum of 30%, despite being the best indicator for HSC assessment marks. as for suggesting me to be placed above in that scenario, it would be pretty redundant for the other assessment, but it would still make sense to keep the ranks similar but make the gaps significantly less? Wouldn't that be beneficial for everyone in the actual HSC?
 

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Yeah, I get that, but it just seems a bit absurd to me how trials can be worth a maximum of 30%, despite being the best indicator for HSC assessment marks. as for suggesting me to be placed above in that scenario, it would be pretty redundant for the other assessment, but it would still make sense to keep the ranks similar but make the gaps significantly less? Wouldn't that be beneficial for everyone in the actual HSC?
The moderation process is to ensure that school marks are a fair and accurate reflection of in school performance. If the moderation wasn't there, what's stopping a school from saying that everyone's a superstar and equal rank 1 with 100% averages?
 

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Hey, I know this is probably over asked but I was wondering what would happen in my case.

Let's say the marks sent by my school was 91 for me, the person 1 rank above, gets a mark sent by the school of 95. What would happen if everything else stays the same, except, she and I swap our HSC assessment mark, so I get 95 and she gets 91? What is the final HSC mark for both of us?

Thanks
Depends on your school. Internals mean nothing if you go to a low ranked school. I got 95 for all my internals but the alignment for my marks were just the HSC marks
 

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