B.Eco at UNSW or B.Bus at UTS? (1 Viewer)

[Conspirocy]

My opinion

This need to go to the BEST UNIVERISTY is over rated, if you need the institution to get you the job then you (as your skills business or non business like) pretty much have nothing to offer to the company.

I thought the consensus that for every dollar your boss gives you, you earn the company three.

The US are full into universities however in Australia, its like the poms. Experience matters.

Isnt the CEO of one of the big 4 banks came from UWS?

I'm going to liken this to the selective schools debate. Why have selective schools if experience is all that counts or the student’s ability? Why do people go to UNSW instead of UWS? Maybe it is because they are rational, and they realise the proposition that if a uni has a good reputation it could be correlated with the uni actually being “better” than other uni’s. This could then in turn result in that uni on average producing better graduates.
Assuming people are rational, if UNSW is the better uni on paper at the time and you had the opportunity to go there, how can you justify not going there? You couldn’t.

As for these claims you always hear of “so and so went to [insert uni which isn’t regarded as being great] and they are now CEO/Ruler of the world”. Again I would say if I was a betting person, then I would assume that if you took two students, one from UWS and one from UNSW, holding all else equal, the student from UNSW would have a more successful career. This will not always be the case, it is just more likely than not. Ever heard of the expression ‘one in a million’, because it is what needs to be said to these stories.
People come here to ask for advice and it is very irresponsible for you to suggest that people go to UWS over UNSW based on the fact that some CEO of a bank went to UWS and he is now a CEO. What I mean is you should not undervalue the decision of which uni to study business/commerce at.

EDIT: also if you study economics at unsw you will learnt how to be rational

 

[jannny]

gotta agree with Conspirocy. Its sort of those kind of stories like "Hey I did not go university and yet I am the CEO of blah blah", Yes this things do happen but compared to the "success rate" of people that went to university and got a job.. its still far far off.

People shouldn't base their decisions based on these "1 in a million stories".

 

[donnytuco]

Why do people go to UNSW instead of UWS? Maybe it is because they are rational, and they realise the proposition that if a uni has a good reputation it could be correlated with the uni actually being “better” than other uni’s

Oh how rational.

UNSW MUST be better than UWS because of it's age, because of it's location and because of it's funding.

But of course it must be.

I wonder if those factors influence the UAI; the perceived benchmark of awesomeness? I also wonder if reputation comes overnight?

Oh here comes the 'Better' ninja!

 

[jb_nc]

I'd do B Eco

 

[Conspirocy]

Oh how rational.

UNSW MUST be better than UWS because of it's age, because of it's location and because of it's funding.

But of course it must be.

I wonder if those factors influence the UAI; the perceived benchmark of awesomeness? I also wonder if reputation comes overnight?

Oh here comes the 'Better' ninja!

Look, you can argue and have a cry about things you perceive as unfair, but it won’t do you any good. The reality is that yes certain uni's are more established, yes they do get more funding, yes this does attract better academics, yes that will then mean better students go there. Also, yes it does take time to build these things up. Knowing this, if you had the choice between Uni A which is established and Uni B which is not, which would you choose?

I'm talking to people who have a choice. Of course if you don't have a choice, that doesn't mean you are an idiot or you should feel bad about the uni you went to as if it’s a major disadvantage. My point is (which I have repeated too many times now) if you have the choice, why pick the "lesser" uni? I can't see it. Explain that to me.

I would also like to point out I never previously mentioned location, age or funding as reasons as to why UNSW is better than any uni. Sorry if you take offence to the UWS example. I did not mean it to come across that way.

 

[RabbitRabbit]

To OP:

If you think business is boring, you're going to find Business Accounting as dry as eating dirt. As a final year Accounting student, I find the Accounting degree full of reading, and a cohort full of zombies. Everyone in your class will be in it for the money. If you do choose Accounting, be prepared to rote learn almost everything, constantly holding a calculator and stressing out trying to scrape a pass in those particularly dull classes--only because failing it would mean another 6 months of torture. Other than this, the only thing keeping you going is thinking about the day you graduate.

 

[pungpui]

3. UNSW is a much better uni that UTS. If you have Asian parents they will realise that. Accounting is much better at UNSW. I'm going to get attacked for being biased or not knowing what I'm talking about. Basically my view is that yes UTS graduates get good jobs and they have this industry based degree. I personally think from the marks I hear from UTS that either their marks are inflated, their exams are easy, or both. I could be wrong, they could just be kick ass and no one realises it. I doubt it.

excuse you. UTS does NOT have a crap degree in comparison to UNSW. I just graduated from UTS and i'm not completely employmentless...i was made several offers from global investment banks, and I have been working at Macquarie for 3 years.

If your point of view is that UTS grads get good jobs, um...yes, isnt that why we're all here...to do uni to end up with good jobs?

Who gives a shit if marks are inflated or not (got no idea where you heard this rumour from - ITS NOT TRUE) its all about whether employers think the graduate is capable of being an excellent employee. And obviously based on market opinion UTS grads ARE capable of being an excellent employee.

Having Asian parents has absolutely nothing to do with it. My parents are asian and they're very happy i chose UTS...if they think that the UTS business degree is second rate, they need to get their heads of out their asses. The only reason you might have parents saying this is because if you want to export your degree off to China or something they have only heard of USyd or UNSW. Locally UTS shits all over the Usyd degree and as per a previous thread, is a partner of CFA - where UNSW is not.

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT AND STOP ALL THIS UTS BASHING BULLSHIT

 

[velox]

pungpui, no-one cares if you have been working at maccas, or that you have several offers from global ibs. Anyone can get an operations job. Division matters.

employmentless?

I believe you mean unemployable.

 

[Conspirocy]

excuse you. UTS does NOT have a crap degree in comparison to UNSW. I just graduated from UTS and i'm not completely employmentless...i was made several offers from global investment banks, and I have been working at Macquarie for 3 years.

If your point of view is that UTS grads get good jobs, um...yes, isnt that why we're all here...to do uni to end up with good jobs?

Who gives a shit if marks are inflated or not (got no idea where you heard this rumour from - ITS NOT TRUE) its all about whether employers think the graduate is capable of being an excellent employee. And obviously based on market opinion UTS grads ARE capable of being an excellent employee.

Having Asian parents has absolutely nothing to do with it. My parents are asian and they're very happy i chose UTS...if they think that the UTS business degree is second rate, they need to get their heads of out their asses. The only reason you might have parents saying this is because if you want to export your degree off to China or something they have only heard of USyd or UNSW. Locally UTS shits all over the Usyd degree and as per a previous thread, is a partner of CFA - where UNSW is not.

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT AND STOP ALL THIS UTS BASHING BULLSHIT

ummm no. what was your point?? I said

my view is that yes UTS graduates get good jobs and they have this industry based degree.

To elaborate, this means that going to uts will not dramatically impede your ability to get a job. Again I point out, if you had the opportunity to go to a university with a better name, why wouldn't you. If you want to dispute the fact that UNSW is better than UTS then don't bother, I'm not here to do that.

My own personal evaluation, which I openly admit is completely subjective and based on my own internal decision making process, is that yes the UTS business degree is second rate in a number of majors.

I’m not uts bashing. The guy is trying to choose between UNSW and UTS. If it was UNSW and some other uni I may have a different opinion.

You are the one with no points. 'UTS shits all over USYD' what dream world are you living on?? You laid down so many facts to back that up.

 

[A High Way Man]

go to the uni thats closer.

 

[Azamakumar]

ummm no. what was your point?? I said
To elaborate, this means that going to uts will not dramatically impede your ability to get a job. Again I point out, if you had the opportunity to go to a university with a better name, why wouldn't you. If you want to dispute the fact that UNSW is better than UTS then don't bother, I'm not here to do that.

My own personal evaluation, which I openly admit is completely subjective and based on my own internal decision making process, is that yes the UTS business degree is second rate in a number of majors.

I’m not uts bashing. The guy is trying to choose between UNSW and UTS. If it was UNSW and some other uni I may have a different opinion.

You are the one with no points. 'UTS shits all over USYD' what dream world are you living on?? You laid down so many facts to back that up.

Fucking idiot.

 

[uhawww]

Well to be fair, you can't really ignore the first half of his sentence. The whole part where he lists it as his own personal evaluation.

 

[Azamakumar]

I'd hardly consider a personal evaluation a fact.

 

[§eraphim]

I'd hardly consider a personal evaluation a fact.

Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the Internet.

Well, as an undergrad, you can only rate the uni based on the teaching quality and level of competition.

UNSW has some pretty slick marketing, but despite this many of its subjects are poorly taught. In general, I can't imagine UTS being able to attract any better lecturers than UNSW (or any other major Go8 uni).

As for the competition, UNSW has definitely got the higher calibre students as per the UAI cutoffs. So the logical conclusion is that UNSW is better than UTS because you can compete with the best.

The stigma attached with being a UTS student is more about the individual than the university itself. It stems from the fact that because you weren't good enough to get into a better uni, you had NO choice but to go to UTS.

Of course, my argument is general in nature - there are specialised courses there which attract the best and brightest such as its co-op programs, journalism degree, etc.

 

[Azamakumar]

You sound so qualified in business to assess the courses at these three uni’s based on their content, especially with all your experience taking business courses at CSU, UNSW and USYD.

Wow the irony.

 

[Conspirocy]

Wow the irony.

Wow from a completely different thread. I knew this was coming. Why don’t you step up to the plate and state your case for why I’m completely wrong, and how UTS is in fact such a leading uni in business when compared to other options in NSW.

Like I could argue that at UTS in accounting they teach you with textbooks that aren't up to date, and so you aren't learning the actual accounting standards and the correct treatments.

I could point out the fact that in your economics 'major' what students get taught is basically only an intermediate level, if that at all, and the courses at USYD and UNSW go well beyond the basic level they teach at UTS in the compulsory options.

Your business law will be good now becuase you have hired probably one of the better UNSW business law lecturers.

Your finance major is a complete joke and you don't get past basic company valuation.
Apparently you guys are good at International business...what a joke of a major.

Lets see you can study an economics major at UTS, but not an econometrics major. You have a major in sports management, are you kidding me.

In fact UTS business is such a good degree that UNSW and USYD wont recognise any subjects completed there if you transfer over.

At UNSW you can study econometrics, Actuarial studies, Business Statistics. Basically, you have more choice in majors, better quality in terms of teaching and competition with other students, and a degree that is more valued by employers.

Yeah, I’m the fucken idiot.

 

[shoxgeneration]

ok from all these sarcastic/bitchin arguments aside...


From my understanding of it all, B ECO is basically a B COMM but more specialised as you HAVE to major in economics. so if thats ur calling then go for it. and B BUS at uts is BASICALLY the same thing as a B COMM at any othe uni, and so - really, what do you want? a more flexible or specialised degree in economics? i'd take the B COmm/B Bus anyday cos u can major in ECO in them so why not?

Oh, and UNSW FTW over UTS. Definitely. But if you really don;t care that much... then choose whichever one you think you;d enjoy more in terms of friends and social life. That's all i gotta say

 

[Azamakumar]

I could argue that at UTS in accounting they teach you with textbooks that aren't up to date, and so you aren't learning the actual accounting standards and the correct treatments.

Yet for some reason they offer a highly regarded Accounting course, with many companies participating in their co-ops.
http://www.business.uts.edu.au/bofacc/findmore/history.html ; how the program started.
http://www.business.uts.edu.au/bofacc/findmore/sponsoring.html ; Companies sponsoring the program.

I could point out the fact that in your economics 'major' what students get taught is basically only an intermediate level, if that at all, and the courses at USYD and UNSW go well beyond the basic level they teach at UTS in the compulsory options.

Economics is offered as a co-major. Given that both courses have the same entry requirements, only an idiot pursuing economics would choose to specialise in a generic degree rather than pick one tailored for what you are actually looking for.

Your business law will be good now becuase you have hired probably one of the better UNSW business law lecturers.

.....

Your finance major is a complete joke and you don't get past basic company valuation.

http://community.boredofstudies.org/125/faculty-business-law/158236/great-news-finance-major-student-finnace-major-becomes-cfa-program-partnership.html
First Course in Australia to have such accreditation. Surely UNSW would also be recognised as such if the degree was up to scratch?

Apparently you guys are good at International business...what a joke of a major.

USyd and UNSW also offer this major.

At UNSW you can study econometrics, Actuarial studies, Business Statistics. Basically, you have more choice in majors, better quality in terms of teaching and competition with other students, and a degree that is more valued by employers.

Both faculties offer specialised degrees and majors, which are both regarded highly. A UTS BAcc would fare far better than a generic UNSW BCom (Accounting) in the industry. Given that you switched from a UNSW BEco to a BCom after one year, you aren't exactly in the most ideal position to make a judgement on the quality of the teachings at each uni.

 

[jb_nc]

i want to study accounting at OxFoRD~~~

do DeY offer an accounting programme!! lolz

 

[§eraphim]

UNSW considered the AACSB accreditation quite a few years ago (2002~ ish) but decided the cost wasn't worth it (see Business Faculty Board minutes for further details).

Also, I have a feeling only shit business schools with a chip on their shoulder need to PAY to get the label. eg Uni of Melb has NOT sought AACSB accreditation.


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