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[get_born]

Christianity 'more violent than Koran'

Bible bashed for its 'terror'

by BEN SHARKLEY and agencies

THE Bible contains just as much justification for violence as the Koran, a Sydney MP claimed yesterday.

At a time when issues of terrorism and religious tolerance are being treated with extreme sensitvity by most in the public eye, Labor's Julia Irwin went gunning for Christianity.

She told Federal Parliament Muslims have been distressed by the Government's anti-terror raids on Sydney and Melbourne homes.

While admitting Islam may not be the target of the terror laws, Ms Irwin said muslims had become targets of a divisive campaign of whispers.

But fundamentalist Christians, she said, have escaped similar treatment. She then claimed that Christianity preaches violence.

"Autralian Muslims are certainly the target of unwarranted and divisive campaigns of whispers, smears and insults and could be excused of thinking that they are the target for proposed laws," Ms Irwin said. "But when it comes to good old fashioned violence, the Judeo-Christian god is hard to beat."

The member for Fowler described fundamentalist Christians as people who believe the Bible was the literal historical record and the authority on matters of moral and faith. She quoted bloodthirsty passages from the Old Testament and said that if they were taken as written, fundamentalist Christians could easily be associated with a dangerous mindset.

"But we are more likely to associate them with psalm singers and happy clappers," she added.

She said people like the Prime Minister used terms like fundamentalist when they really meant violent extremist.

Anglican Minister at Woollahra David West last night said fundamentalist Christians were an extreme minority and such an interpretation in no way reflected the views of the majority.

"It is easy to characterise people by the actions of minority groups. Christian fundamentalism is a minority in its extreme and does not represent mainstream Christian thinking," he said.

"For Christians the Old Testament is not something we live by literally but points to God's eternal purpose beingfulfilled in Christ. For example sacrificing animals is not something we would do today but something that points to God's sacrifice of his son.

"The New Testament provides the contours for living for Christians. There is no skerrick of violence in the New Testament except for what is done to Christ."

 

[hiphophooray123]

last_chance are you posting this to try and defend your religion?

i agree though that anyone who criticises the koran and thinks the bible is prefect is a deluded fool but both documents are just as bad as each other.

 

[TerrbleSpellor]

Yes the bible is very violent, and its followers create a totally horrific society to live in. That is why the person who said that the bible is worse than the koran, is now going to fuck off and leave this country. Yeh.. right.

It was a nice attempt.. But .. He's a failure

 

[SashatheMan]

i dotn like the bible either, but it doesnt create huge numbers of suicide bombers and terrorists like the quran does.

 

[gerhard]

was this thread really fucking necessary?

 

[SashatheMan]

was this thread really fucking necessary?

no the muslims are just bitter , that so much truth about islam has been exposed, and they cant martyr them selves on the internet, so they resolve to shifting the claim to another religion.

 

[get_born]

last_chance are you posting this to try and defend your religion?

im posting because i found the article interesting - and it obviously got some people fired up.

i dotn like the bible either, but it doesnt create huge numbers of suicide bombers and terrorists like the quran does.

You dont like anything! The Quran doesnt make or create huge numbers of suicide bombers and terrorists - its the bloody individual. Seriously, how many times do I have to make that clear to you.

Palestinian Archbishop tells Christians to take part in Suicide attacks against Israel

Allah Hana
On Jan 10, 2003 the ex spokesman of the Orthodox Church of Jerusalem and the Holy Land, Atta Allah Hana, praised the suicide bombings of organized Palestinian terror against Israeli citizens. He also called for the establishment of an Islamic-Christian union that will work together to foil the "American offensive" against Iraq and "to release Palestine from the river to the sea".

The following is a translation of the article as published on the official Hamas website on Jan. 11, 2003:

"He [Attah Allah Hana] indicated [at a convention in Haifa] that when his passport would be returned to him, he would stand at the head of a Christian delegation that will depart for Iraq to act as a human shield facing the American oppression of Iraq.

The spokesman of the Orthodox Church praised suicide activities carried out by Palestinians deep inside the Hebrew State [Israel] in the name of religion (Ist'sh'had).

He emphasized that 'the suicide bombers who carry out their activities in the name of religion are national [Islamic] heroes and we're proud of them. We totally reject the dubious attempts of those who protest these actions. The attackers do not commit in suicide as several claim, nor do they carry out acts of terrorism as others claim, for they are fighters against occupation. Furthermore, we support suicide activities without reservation and without regard to the claims of those who doubt and to those opposed to these heroic activities in the framework of the struggle'.

Archbishop Atta Allah Hana called on Arab and Palestinian Christians to join the struggle against the occupation by employing any means at their disposal, as they too are a part of the Palestinian population".


Another interesting article I found.

was this thread really fucking necessary?

Yes it was!

no the muslims are just bitter , that so much truth about islam has been exposed, and they cant martyr them selves on the internet, so they resolve to shifting the claim to another religion.

Actually its called putting things into perspective. And the way you speak isnt bitter?

 

[SashatheMan]

im posting because i found the article interesting - and it obviously got some people fired up.



You dont like anything! The Quran doesnt make or create huge numbers of suicide bombers and terrorists - its the bloody individual. Seriously, how many times do I have to make that clear to you.
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the the "bloody individual"s are muslims who read the quran and decided to start a holly war against the west. Quran is the main reason why they got those ideas "Seriously, how many times do i have to make that clear to you"

 

[hiphophooray123]

The Quran doesnt make or create huge numbers of suicide bombers and terrorists - its the bloody individual. ?

the individual would need some sort of material to interpret in order to have these fucked up views, oh and guess what that material is. That's right, the qua'ran. So basically the qu'ran does make and create huge numbers of suicide bombers and terrorists.

 

[physician]

no the muslims are just bitter , that so much truth about islam has been exposed, and they cant martyr them selves on the internet, so they resolve to shifting the claim to another religion.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, U have not exposed anything, we have refuted all ur claims!

So much falsehood has been spread from "Islam hating" websites, but have failed miserably as they always have and always will!

By the way SashatheMan, If u didnt realise, right now we are in the state of Jihad, as has been said previously, Jihad is not simply a physical action. All ur posts have done, is strengthen my faith in Islam.

EDIT: And personaly I would not attack the bible, however, when christians attack Islam, I think its important to bring to their attention, that their bibles have much to answer for!

Christianity is the closest relgion to Islam, and Judaism is the 2nd closest! We should not spread hatred about each other.

 

[hiphophooray123]

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, U have not exposed anything, we have refuted all ur claims!

So much falsehood has been spread from "Islam hating" websites, but have failed miserably as they always have and always will!

By the way SashatheMan, If u didnt realise, right now we are in the state of Jihad, as has been said previously, Jihad is not simply a physical action. All ur posts have done, is strengthen my faith in Islam.

Do we expect people like you to ever agree with anything that condems the qua'ran??? NO

we call you people stubborn or close-minded, if i'm proved wrong i accept it and change my views, but mostly every strongly-religious person i have ever met is stubborn and refuses to change their views even if they are proved wrong. Oh, and most of them were/are muslim

 

[Sonic]

SashatheMan the three major religions do not promote violence against each other and never will... this is the case and will always be the case religions are co-dependant and rely on each other as well as support each other.. we (as muslims) do not blame others for our actions

 

[get_born]

Palestinian Archbishop tells Christians to take part in Suicide attacks against Israel

Obviously you didnt pay close attention - so according to the article here it was the bible that encouraged the Archbishop to encourage suicide bombers? No! It was him. I would not like to think that the bible encourages such behaviour, nor the Quran or other scriptures. All major religions do not permit such behaviour!!

Within most of Islam, hostage taking, suicide, or terrorist attacks are not permitted. They are considered a great sin. In the Qur'an, it is written that "If anyone killed a person, unless it was for murder or spreading mischief on earth, it would be as if he killed all of mankind. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he had saved the lives of all mankind." (Qur'an 5:32)

Prior to the rise of a minority of extremist, radical, Fundamentalist Muslim clerics:
bullet The taking and maltreatment of hostages has not been permitted within Islam.
bullet Suicide has been generally forbidden in Islam.
bullet Muslims have been forbidden to attack innocent civilians; they have not even been permitted to kill an unarmed soldier in wartime.

Within some faith groups, (e.g. the Baha'i World Faith, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and many Protestant denominations) one can appeal to the Pope, a world court, a General Assembly or other authority for a valid interpretation of a theological or moral point. Within Islam, there is no comparable religious hierarchy; the ultimate authority lies in the Qur'an. This is the Holy Book that Muslims believe was dictated by the angel Gabriel to Muhammad in the seventh century CE.

Islam, like Christianity, Judaism, and other religions, is what its adherents understand it to be. This is largely determined by what its religious leaders interpret the Qur'an, Bible, Torah or other religious text to mean. Following the suicide attack in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1983, "Radical Muslim clerics scoured Islam's sacred texts for justifications of violence, and found them. In the years to come, the [radical] clerics and the terrorists widened their license. At first, it included only 'intruders' in Muslim lands: foreign forces, embassies, and civilians. Later it was extended to include 'enemy' installations in third countries, and finally, civilians in the 'lands of unbelief.' No moral red line could stop the escalation." 2

Such clerics remain a small but very vocal minority within Islam. Unfortunately, the western media rarely gives a balanced presentation of Islamic thought; they tend to over-emphasize the extreme radical Fundamentalist element, and largely ignore moderates within Islam.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/reac_ter14.htm

I feel like im repeating myself, and that the arguments in return are also repeated. So im going to sleep. G'nite

 

[Sonic]

Do we expect people like you to ever agree with anything that condems the qua'ran??? NO

we call you people stubborn or close-minded, if i'm proved wrong i accept it and change my views, but mostly every strongly-religious person i have ever met is stubborn and refuses to change their views even if they are proved wrong. Oh, and most of them were/are muslim

i belive this is a biased point of view and doesn not represent the whole muslim community and in particular ppl in these forums the reason we are on here is to explain and discuss our religion to spread our views and hear the views of others

 

[physician]

Do we expect people like you to ever agree with anything that condems the qua'ran??? NO

we call you people stubborn or close-minded, if i'm proved wrong i accept it and change my views, but mostly every strongly-religious person i have ever met is stubborn and refuses to change their views even if they are proved wrong. Oh, and most of them were/are muslim

Im not being stubborn, but u cant go about claiming uve proven me wrong, and the other Muslims in this forum, when u really havn't. We also believe that others in this forum are being stubborn, and we believe that we've proven them wrong, if u realise and backtrack all posts made in the past 2 weeks, u'd realise we've answered alot of questions, yet theyre continously being asked once again in different threads, or the same thread 5 pages later!

The only reason I dont agree with anything that condemns the Quran, is because u've failed to convince me that ur right!

If most of them were/are muslims, maybe ur being stubborn, did that ever occur to u?

Anyways, in regards to the article, It fails to provide verses, which would have givn it more credibility! But an interesting read!

 

[hiphophooray123]

i belive this is a biased point of view and doesn not represent the whole muslim community and in particular ppl in these forums the reason we are on here is to explain and discuss our religion to spread our views and hear the views of others

you must have left something out because i expected you to say:

'and hear the views of others, then dismiss them no matter what'

 

[hiphophooray123]

If most of them were/are muslims, maybe ur being stubborn, did that ever occur to u?
!

i knew you would use that defense and that's why i included the 'if im proved wrong i change my view' line in my post .

 

[Sonic]

you must have left something out because i expected you to say:

'and hear the views of others, then dismiss them no matter what'

hahaha well obviously u have not been around these forums and me too long

 

[hiphophooray123]

hahaha well obviously u have not been around these forums and me too long

this is a new account because my other one was banned, i joined around march 2004.

 

[Sonic]

i knew you would use that defense and that's why i included the 'if im proved wrong i change my view' line in my post .

ah i see so it's like the companies and there secret clauses that nobody really reads and can't even if they tried