Bonded Medical Places (1 Viewer)

[funnybunny]

"1st page u didnt even read the BMP contract?... does that reflect a part of u?" It shows that i really want to do medicine, and actually i skimmed over it but not really went into depth.


im sure u might have the best intentions but experience 1st hand trumps ure 2nd hand experiences... we all have graduated friends.. ure not the only one.." No offence, but those graduated friends are also 2nd hand experiences, if my friends are also 2nd hand experiences.

I think u should aim at being encouraging and being realisti" None of my posts were meant to offend people, just to raise questions and hence discussion. Though i admit that i may have rushed to quickly to the uai issue. However this issue has probably already been discussed in this forum.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

No offence, but those graduated friends are also 2nd hand experiences, if my friends are also 2nd hand experiences.

i know but i dun talk about my friends.. im talking about me.. and wat i have seen in the last 2 yrs.. and from my friends at different med schools.. yes i question them.. and their experiences to see if i am where i need to be..

i know myself... i see them and how we handle it.. thats how its 1st hand..

yes that rush can hide a fine mind..
and we all make that mistake too..
but if someone were in yr 12, its easy to see ure in Med 1 at UNSW (even tho ure not in the course yet) and then think ur the final word on everything medicine at UNSW..

when we all know its really mervvyn :wave:

 

[funnybunny]

"then think ur the final word on everything medicine at UNSW.. "Maybe, but most are already content that the new course, and the new selection procedures have resulted in a lower drop out rate. I have already discussed this on another thread, but it is most likely because of the greater focus on PBL, that made the course less demanding and thus resulting in lower drop out rates.

Almost forget what were we arguing about..oh yeah that uai issue. I was wondering what uai category most medicine dropouts are in? It's probably easy to say 95+, however most medical students going to uni have received a uai of 95+. I guess that this discussion can go for ages...so i agree this should be the end of that.

 

[Bob.J]

another summer's day
has come and gone away
in paris and rome
but i wanna go home.................

 

[Estel]

You haven't even STARTED medicine yet, and already you're talking about how people fail for this and that reason, or those with UAI < 95 may not be capable to handle the load.

You had strong things to say too about med before you got in. =p
Not that I minded, but heh...

To the person who signed without reading it thoroughly... heh. Aren't we in for a fun ride.

Back to my stupor...

 

[name_disclosed]

Hi just wondering, how much does it take to buy out the contract?

 

[funnybunny]

bonded medical places really depends on how long you work for...every year it's approximately like $16000 + capital crap lalala....if u plan to dodge the whole 6 years..+$96 000 + capital blah blah
if u plan to work for only 3 years u pay half+capital..not quite sure but better to just read the contract or go to the government's website and search BMP places.

And from a long time back ago, i take back my comment about ppl <95...i'm sure anyone can be successfu lin medicine if they have a genuine interest in it..and work hard.

 

[Estel]

Buying out the contract costs about 50k (making fairly safe assumptions, see medstudentonline for my explanation there).

As for the whole argument about intellect, I'm sure you can't be THAT stupid to do a university degree successfully; what interests me more is how successful med students managed to get less than 95...

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

Buying out the contract costs about 50k (making fairly safe assumptions, see medstudentonline for my explanation there).

yeah i think we came out at ummm ... about 55-80K for the whole course before CPI indexing..
curiously tho.. lik can they ban a person for a medicare provider number?

cos i heard that can happen with MRBS holders..

As for the whole argument about intellect, I'm sure you can't be THAT stupid to do a university degree successfully; what interests me more is how successful med students managed to get less than 95...

3 problems ppl have:
-Bio... disease
-Psycho... problems sitting the HSC style exams, Anxiety
-Social.. family or friends problems

the list is endless and my list is by no means comprehensive... there is also rural disadvantage... outer metro disadvantage.. sitting their yr 12 was a bad yr... HSC is different from medical school... UAI scaling varying between schools.. subject scaling..(u dun need maths Ext 2 for medicine but still it gives u a nice UAI if u do well)... not doing very well in english (this can be a UAI killer)..

Medical school has

- more pracs..
- some of the exams cant be rote learnt..
cos u actually need to have a good understanding not .. just the HSC science verb list or dot points..
- focus is different... anatomy/biochem/physiology/etc... are ure compulsory english
- self directed or independent learning ... story of how i fall asleep on the train..
- exams are surprise to u.. really.. im always surprise especially the clinical reasoning ones.. not all unis do this tho..
- u have to think more..
- there is not just one textbook.. and the answers keep changing.. i kid u not.. an MCQ was right one yr.. but technically invalid the next due to new medical evidence/research

this is how i think it differs from the HSC..

 

[mervvyn]

Hi just wondering, how much does it take to buy out the contract?

This is all reasonably well covered in the contract which i think is available on the net. But in any case, the amount you owe is calculated with a govt contribution of $16k per year for however long your degree is, indexed at CPI, which averages around 3%. So, as has been said, it's just under $100k for a 6 year degree. That's the maximum you would pay if you broke the bond after graduating but before spending any time in a RRMA zone either working or studying for your fellowship. For each year that you've worked or studied in a RRMA zone suitable for your study or work, the amount you'd owe decreases 1/6 (for the 6 years of bonding). Also, if you drop out of your med degree after 1 year or less, you are released from the contract without financial obligation. That's the guts of it.

when we all know its really mervvyn :wave:

cheers mate

 

[Estel]

Ahh pointdexter I got 50k after considering CPI and the fact that you'd work and invest in govt bonds (which are as safe as the debt itself) along the way.

lol at the changing mc answers!
I'm still in two minds about your argument though. I'm quite convinced that most people would do alright in the HSC (>95) however many barriers you put in front of them: stress, divorce, rurality, suicide of friends, medical condition, apathy and lack of willingness to rote learn, etc... though of course I cannot back this suspicion with any hard evidence. hmm It would be interesting to see the HSC marks of students in the grad program. Point, in Adelaide where HSC is not a criteria, are marks still skewed towards the higher end?

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

It would be interesting to see the HSC marks of students in the grad program. Point, in Adelaide where HSC is not a criteria, are marks still skewed towards the higher end?

see ure govt bonds thing is too smart lolz clever.. i was assuming u just goin to pay out.. its not unreasonable.. just difficult to predict .. unless u have that sort of cash

umm thats a very interesting question..
in terms of student intake..
in my day
lots of 99.95ers made it...
and not so many lower 90's due to the UMAT

with changes to the course..
even more 99.95ers from SA are in..

umm if ure talkin about exam marks... I am not sure..
I assume that there are more 98+ ppl in the top.. but alas we have non-graded passes lik newcastle so data like this i can only speculate on.

tho of those that fail or dropout.. there isnt a clear dropout point.. cos lik some are UAI/TER 99's 98's 96's 90's etc.. u just cant generalise... the cutoff will always be arbitrary

obviously if they had research from the last 10 yrs that a cutoff of below 9x.xx was bad.. they wouldnt use it.. med ed is very expensive and 'important'

 

[kate.kate]

I recieved a bonded place, my UAI is 94.25 and just in case you're wondering how on earth I managed to get accepted to medicine - I'm a rural entry student. I was pretty proud of my UAI before I read this message thread! Now I'm not so sure I'm "up to scratch"..

Personally I think I'll cope with med. Its been my dream for so long and I really am passionate about it. Plus I went good in the UMAT.. But who knows.

But my real reason for replying to this thread is that I thought the bonded place was for 6 years. Whats the go with this 22 year thing? Keep in mind I haven't had a chance to read the contract yet as my parents have it at the moment and they're currently living in another town so I won't get to see it til sunday. But if anyone could clarify what exactly the 22 year reference is about I'd be really happy =o)

Thanks.

PS - +Po1ntDeXt3r+ I have no idea who you are but I like the way you aren't bagging on us rural students who got shockingly low UAI's below 95 as I did. Thanks for your support. Really, I appreciate it. =o)

 

[Yogeesan]

OK...22 years

4- 6 years - Med Degree
1 year Internship
Usually 1 year Residency
Upto 6 years - Specialising in your field of choice

Total = 14 years approximately?

6 years - the RRMA 2 - 3 LIFESTYLE...with the possibility of working in a RRMA 1 area

TOTAL = 20 years

So prolli more like 20...or perhaps a little less...15-19? Is that right?

 

[Antler]

Bonded does not meen Rural, you can work in RRMA 2. Also if you undertake your specialty training in a rural area that cuts 3 years off the 6 years. You can sometimes work in RRMA 1 as it says on the website:
From time to time, a particular specialty is considered to be in general shortage. If so, the whole of Australia is considered a district of workforce shortage for that specialty. For example, in 2004, the specialty of Radiation Oncology fell into this category.

 

[pravski]

Following on from the previous post, you can work in Newcastle as a bonded student...or even in Liverpool if there are shortages. There's nothing wrong with places like Wollongong and Newcastle in fact they are better places to live than Inner city (arguably)

 

[Yogeesan]

Well it's subjective...depending on who you are as a person...you will either enjoy or loathe working out from the Inner City.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

Bonded does not meen Rural, you can work in RRMA 2. Also if you undertake your specialty training in a rural area that cuts 3 years off the 6 years. You can sometimes work in RRMA 1 as it says on the website:
From time to time, a particular specialty is considered to be in general shortage. If so, the whole of Australia is considered a district of workforce shortage for that specialty. For example, in 2004, the specialty of Radiation Oncology fell into this category.

ummmm ok... my question is .. "undertake your specialty training in a rural area that 3 years off the 6 years"

most programs are 5-8 yrs long now... so i wonder if u can do it at an RRMA 2 hospital and cut even more years off

example.. i believe u can do ure FRACP in say cardiology at john hunter hospital and other newcastle ones.. it takes about 7 yrs for cardio.. so lik if u did the requirements.. i reckon u could pull even more off ure bond 5 or even 6 yrs.. since ure a registrar..
and they have an above national pass rate

 

[mervvyn]

nah, the amount of time you can claim from your specialist training is capped at 3 yrs

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

oh ok.. icic

even tho im not on a bond
i do lik rural practice more than metro .... its more interesting