Capitalism: Do you believe in it? (3 Viewers)

[AmorFati]

Name it.

Oops. Missed the bolded. But you've literally been criticised like 10000000000000 times throughout the thread, before retorting with "that's corporatism"

 

[AmorFati]

I meant name a flaw that I've failed to refute,

Anarcho-capitalism (also referred to as free-market anarchism, market anarchism, and private-property anarchism) is a political philosophy which advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty in a free market. In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be provided by privately funded competitors rather than through taxation, and money would be privately and competitively provided in an open market. Therefore, personal and economic activities under anarcho-capitalism would be regulated by privately run law rather than through politics.

Various theorists have differing, though similar, legal philosophies which have been considered to fall under anarcho-capitalism. However, the most well-known version, was formulated by Austrian School economist and libertarian Murray Rothbard, who coined the term and is widely regarded as its founder, in the mid-20th century, synthesizing elements from the Austrian School of economics, classical liberalism, and 19th-century American individualist anarchists Lysander Spooner and Benjamin Tucker (while rejecting their anti-capitalism, along with the labor theory of value and the normative implications they derived from it). In Rothbardian anarcho-capitalism, there would first be the implementation of a mutually agreed-upon libertarian "legal code which would be generally accepted, and which the courts would pledge themselves to follow."This legal code would recognize sovereignty of the individual and the principle of non-aggression.

I know what anarcho-capitalism is. Are you saying that you espouse it?

 

[Orwell]

There's so much going on, I've also provided you with a definition.

Give me a systemic and organised list so I can go through it.

Edit: Yes, I do.

 

[AmorFati]

There's so much going on, I've also provided you with a definition.

Give me a systemic and organised list so I can go through it.

Edit: Yes, I do.

I mean, that's a bit disappointing. I would think that anarchism and capitalism were inherently incompatible but k.

With regards to the list, the point isn't that you list out comprehensive refutations of criticisms. I was pointing out that you were contradicting yourself when you were like

CAPITALISM IS GOOD: HERE ARE CONCRETE EXAMPLES WHY CAPITALISM IS GOOD

And then you were like, CAPITALISM DOESN'T EXIST OF CURRENT HOW HARD IS THIS TO UNDERSTAND CORPORATISM EXISTS (even though it only doesn't exist because you're using a really narrow definition)

But people like Simorgh and danpowell, Soulful have all kind of criticised capitalism to some extent (not that all of them are that radical lol)

 

[Orwell]

I didn't mean capitalism holistically but aspects of laissez-faire capitalism that have truly contributed to the betterment of nations. I was referencing how China, by simply adopting capitalistic ideologies and concepts, have turned themselves into an economic machine. That was all alluding to how a system of complete laissez-faire capitalism would make us better off. By the way, did some reading on anarchism. Anarchism manifests itself relative to Libertarianism in numerous forms, one being anarcho-capitalism. I've stated before, fan of anarcho-capitalism.

What do you consider yourself politically? What do you believe in politically?

 

[AmorFati]

I didn't mean capitalism holistically but aspects of laissez-faire capitalism that have truly contributed to the betterment of nations. I was referencing how China, by simply adopting capitalistic ideologies and concepts, have turned themselves into an economic machine. That was all alluding to how a system of complete laissez-faire capitalism would make us better off. By the way, did some reading on anarchism. Anarchism manifests itself relative to Libertarianism in numerous forms, one being anarcho-capitalism. I've stated before, fan of anarcho-capitalism.


What do you consider yourself politically? What do you believe in politically?

The point is that all of the countries that were listed didn't *really* become bettered solely just through somewhat liberalizing their economies to an extent; for example, the Asian countries listed all introduced heavy state intervention in domestic economies and protectionism in trade. (Ha-Joon-Chang wrote a book about this), so you can't make overarching inferences about laissez-faire capitalism based off these examples.


Um...

Not too sure myself. Don't really belong to an overarching ideology, but certainly I would say that I adhere a leftism that is out of the mainstream left in Western politics. There was a time (circa 1 year ago) when I would have considered myself as an anarchist with heavy influence from Marx and an assortment of other leftist philosophers and academics (Although I don't talk about politics *that* much anymore - Dammit Orwell!) But yeh I would still say I'm a radical leftist.

Moving along to the next point,

I wouldn't consider anarcho-capitalism a form of anarchism when considering the broader history of anarchism. As a political ideology/movement, anarchism always was very, very, leftist (Although you have stuff like mutualism - but most of them still consider themselves leftist and many of them anti-capitalist). So typical anarchist discourse consisted of things such as a rejection of hierarchy (ie, class, state, race, gender etc.), a communist system that was not introduced through a vanguard party like Leninism (and it's offshoots). Anarcho-capitalism has been taken heavy issue with by the 'mainstream' anarchists in the sense that it doesn't really conform to anarchist discourse (like anarchism pretty much necessitates a rejection of capitalism, so ancaps were merely using 'anarchism' as a name). It's a more recent and Americentric political ideology.

Interestingly, your eponymous figure wrote a memoir about the Spanish Civil War, of which an-coms played a heavy role in: Homage to Catalonia. Like he literally bore arms for an ancom organisation and here you are saying that you're an ancap

 

[Orwell]

By the way, I did more research about Libertarianism and stuff:

An answer to the question: Without government intervention and therefore, no regulations, how can we trust businesses to preserve the environment and to not cause damage to it?

Libertarians are for regulations, but we feel they should be developed in a different, more free market way.

Some options:

Community agreements to abstain from pollution, arbitrated settlements.

Consumer boycott. Social pressure against employees and owners. Sabotage and extralegal attacks on the offender.

People deal with it if the pollution isn't that bad.

Lastly, most people do not want to be the bad guy, so most will avoid causing harm to the communities. If everyone was out to get everyone else in a truly dog-eat-dog manner, the free market wouldn't work. Indeed, neither would socialism. Human society would necessarily revert to a more tribal manner where 30% of males die in warfare by their late twenties.

The Government does more damage to the environment than the private class, The Soviet Union created 4 times more pollution than Japan did when it came to making one car.

 

[Simorgh]

Where did rest of the posts go???

Orwell I bet you asked the mods to delete them and now you just bumped up this thread

 

[Orwell]

What posts?

I think you're thinking of two different threads.

 

[Zen2613]

Capitalism is flawless.

 

[Orwell]

I couldn't agree with you more.

 

[Orwell]