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Everyone should now know of the deplorable conditions Cornelia Rau a mentally ill Australian was subjected to at the baxter detention centre, what do people think of this? Does she deserve an apology? Is this a daming indictment of the whole system?

As food for thought I found this article on the smh site:

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'It's torture, it's sheer torture'
February 8, 2005 - 9:31AM

Detainees at South Australia's Baxter Detention Centre were being psychologically tortured and humiliated, a volunteer worker at the centre said today.

Francis Milne, one of the centre's volunteers from the Uniting Church, said she witnessed detainees being humiliated while their mental conditions deteriorated.

She said one of the detainees she worked with, a 37-year-old Algerian man known only as Hassan, suffered great indignities during nine weeks in Baxter's isolation unit.

Hassan had been placed in the unit after he had threatened to commit suicide in frustration at the way he was being treated, she said.

"When they came to check out what was happening they came in force, that is the immigration officials, the guards there, and they made him strip," Ms Milne told ABC radio.

"They examined him and there were two females there, one was a psychologist, another one was an immigration officer.

"And the humiliation of having to bend over and be internally examined by people who are watching you as well as being on a video camera, he just felt was the greatest humiliation in his whole life."
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Details of Hassan's case come amid outrage at the treatment of Cornelia Rau, 39, a German-born Australian resident who was released from Baxter last Friday after 10 months in detention.

Ms Rau, a schizophrenic who was reported to police as a missing person, is also believed to have been confined to Baxter's isolation unit.

Ms Milne said authorities at Baxter refused to recognise the mental damage inflicted on detainees.

"It's torture, it's sheer torture, psychological torture," she said.

"You cannot justify it under any means at all.

"To put people who are psychologically damaged, who are psychotic, in such a thing is cruelty of an order people just can't believe."

Hassan said he fled Algeria for Australia in 2001 after suffering what he said was severe torture in his homeland.

While he had enough money to support himself in Australia, he was put in detention because his papers were not in order.

Hassan said Baxter inmates were prevented from having much contact with each other and made to stay in their rooms for most of the day.

"If good officers, they let us go out for four hours a day for fresh air," he said.

"If bad officers, we go out for half hour, one hour a day.

"It was terrible, especially at night. One o'clock, two o'clock. All the time (guards would open doors) because they want to search the room."

Hassan was released from Baxter last year and now lives in Perth while waiting for a decision on whether he will be granted refugee status.

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I can't believe there is any question as to whether she deserves an apology.
 

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I was horrified when I heard about it... It's bad enough that we do it to refugees, but the fact that they had a women there for like 10 months, and never bothered to work out who it was disgustes me.
There is, as far as i'm concerned no excuse and the whole system needs a complete overhaul. I don't care what you say, to have a mentally unstable Australian citizen then for 10 months without noticing is disgraceful.
Oh and they should bloody say sorry, as they clearly fucked up this time. The offer that women, and the rest of us an explanation as to excatly what is going on.
 

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Just a note, Cornelia Rau was a 'permanent resident' who came to Australia aged 8 not an Australian citizen for those who have been misninformed. Although, it is a major mishap, it is rarity of sorts. How often are we informed of 'Cornelia Rau's' and those in similar situations.

The system that exists in Australia isnt flawless, and quite frankly, nor could it ever be. Any government/private agency or department is under the direction by people, who unfortunately do make mistakes. McDonalds employees do, ANZ bank empolyees do and even Donald Trumps employees make mistakes.

The fact is, she was an un-diagnosed schitzophrenic, German immigrant, whom provided a very feasable story to authorites that was ultimately confirmed by the consulate-general in her homeland. Her name checked out, her boyfriend checked out and she spoke of no family members within the country.

Now whilst the bulk of the blame lies with those in the authorities who failed to adequately reference her story, why hasnt the family been questioned about adequate care for a person who obviously was not mentally 'with it'. If you had a relative whom you saw regularly surely one would notice any changes in their demeanour or any abnormal behaviour. Above all, why was she in QLD in the first place.....

More importantly though, if we had a more stringent immigration and citizenship policy in this country, there would first of all be less 'trash' being accepted onto our shores and secondly less confusion over the identities and backgorunds of people such as Cornelia Rau. However, that fact of the matter is that none of this will occur until the left of politics give up the whole 'bleeding heart' attitude and place Australia's interests before those whom we know nothing about....
 

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I have to agree with Frog... i would like to know HOW anyone could quickly pick up that she was an australian citizen?
The government did what it could, there should be an appology however.

I would like to point out before some of the less rational people start posting, that they don't want further identification of the australian people... they feel it's an "invasion of privacy".
 

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All three governments are at fault in some way... The system may not be perfect, but such a mess is unacceptable.

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Frog: She came to Australia when she was 18 months old, and I have seen nothing that suggests that her 'identity' was confirmed by the German authorities...

It is believed Ms Rau told authorities her name was "Anna Schmidt", she lived in Germany, had no family or friends in Australia and had recently arrived on a visa. The German consulate was unable to confirm her identity.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/02/05/1107476857884.html

Senator Vanstone said Ms Rau had presented herself as a German citizen on holidays in Australia.

"Ms Rau presented very credibly as being a German citizen," she said.

"The reasons for that is I understand that is what she is.

"She spoke with what appeared to be a German accent and frequently spoke German.
"She maintained a consistent story about having been born in Germany - I understand she was - but adopted by a German couple."

Senator Vanstone said Ms Rau had given officials the details of her adoptive parents, including their new names taken after choosing an "alternative lifestyle", and the details of her boyfriend.

Officials attempted to verify whether she was a German tourist and found that she had a stolen passport.

"Everything indicated what she was saying was true and that she was someone who had perhaps overstayed and was obfuscating us some details for reasons which weren't sure," Senator Vanstone said.

The minister said her department faced a dilemma in trying to identify people.
"Sometimes I think immigration can't win," she said.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Rau-inquiry-wont-be-public/2005/02/08/1107625186953.html
 
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Whilst I know that mistakes happen the common practice is to apologise, when a macdonalds employee spills boiling coffea on you lap they apologise profusely and the manager gives you a free meal.
 

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Asquinthian...

1.As she was only a permanent resident, this only made it more difficult to prove her identity and background..

2.Mistakes are human nature, and unless you are flawless the system won't be...and when one undertakes any job, although the occupational mistakes may be different they will occur nonetheless...

3.Massive blunder, I think not... bureaucratic mistake absolutely, and a formal apology will be released when all the evidence and facts are considered, instead of this media 'fact' release frenzy that is occurring...

4.Her ability to effectively hold a job and family, simply supports the governmental and medical viewpoints that her illness was extremely difficult to initially diagnose... thus the reason as to why her illness was not easily identified..


5.Less trash...observe Western Sydney and other 'hotspots' of crime and dissent within the country.... also the mass flow of immigrants who rort the welfare system and the hardworking taxpayer dollars...

6.The bleeding hearts should move to Afganistan, the middle east or even the US and then finally they'll realise the superiorty of Australian life in every way and not attempt to undermine, scrutinise and create furore over the extremely minor discrepancies that exist in Australian society...

Asquinthian no doubt you are obvioulsy a supporter of the Greens or socialist alliance.... idealist parties that inevitably will dissolve into the political abyss..
 

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This government is making a hell of alot of 'mistakes'.
 

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Forg, dissent and political difference is what makes this such a great country... It's good to see that you believe in ignoring the problems that exist within our political and administrative systems.

Try not to make any more baseless 'trash' claims about Western Sydney... Just remember that large parts of it happen to be 'aspirational' suburbs that largely support the Coalition and one may also say that they support the views that you are presenting (to a degree), too.

Edit: My final point may be stretching it quite a bit, but oh well.
 
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So anyways, frog just demonstrated why I hate most right-wingers.
Honestly, lets all just blame the immigrants in western syd. for all the crime, as god knows they can't possibly be good people working to better themselves, and we never had any crime problems before they came along :rolleyes:
And naturally, no one who was born in this country ever "rort the welfare system and the hardworking taxpayer dollars"
But to get back to the heart of it, yes it was a Massive blunder, I think the fact that she was there for 10 months demonstrates that it was a little more serious then the bureaucratic mistake you're attempting to justify it as.
As well as all that, the fact that it happened demonstrates just how flawed the current system is... sure it can't be perfect, but the government might try to work towards that goal a little more, as whatever their doing right now is so clearly ineffective.
 
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I read in the Australian she wasnt at baxter for the entire 10 months, and was at a psychiatric facility for the majority of the time.

Personally, I think there is more to the story, and the newspapers are making a sensation out of it.

She didnt speak English.
She was in a psychotic state when found
She claimed to be german, spoke fluent german.

Where was her family? She'd disappeared for 10 months and the family didnt release missing persons information?

What about the psychiatric hospital she escaped from in Sydney, before ending up in Queensland?
 

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katie_tully said:
Where was her family? She'd disappeared for 10 months and the family didnt release missing persons information?
She was reported missing last year, and the NSW Police appealed for information in November... She was reported missing, yet it seems as though the states and the federal government didn't even bother to address the issue in an inter-governmental sense, and that's part of the problem (one that appears to have been overshadowed by the immigration detention aspect).
 
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Asquithian said:
Even the right wing friendly papers are reporting this in a negative light.

Generator has already cleared up the mission persons thing.



...I doubt that it makes it ok.

I didnt know those were the criteria of an illegal.
I never said it was okay. And I never said that made you an illegal immigrant. I was merely saying thats what they're trying to use to justify their actions.
 
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Asquithian said:
...and you swallow that?

She didnt speak English.
She was in a psychotic state when found
She claimed to be german, spoke fluent german.

are hardly justifications!
What the hell is with you and twisting my words around?

I don't know the full story, none of you know the full story. It is because of this I'm going to stay a neutral party.
I dont agree she should have been sent to Baxter, and I do agree that many people failed in their duty to her.

Jesus christ.
 

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Bec, first of all... you can't hate everyone of a right wing ideology because of that, if i hated everyone that's left wing because of one left wing dickhead would that be fair?

The only way to identify who she is would be to compare photo's of immigrants and people on missing persons... that could take some time.
 

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umm.. Cyan are u some sorta nutjob?
"THE GOVERNMENT HAS ACCESS TO EVERYONE'S IDENTITY".

The government did the best they could, perhaps it was done a little slow and there needs to be better co-operation between different groups..

The media has gone stupid on this, some papers were claiming that she was 'abused', there is absoblutely no evidence of this AT ALL.
 

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Not-That-Bright said:
The media has gone stupid on this, some papers were claiming that she was 'abused', there is absoblutely no evidence of this AT ALL.
We have no 'evidence' to the contrary, too... We will have to wait till the inquiry has been completed (yet given its nature it seems as though it will be a toothless exercise that may well achieve nothing).
 

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