Cvltural Maxism: Political Correctness/Feminism (2 Viewers)

[Simorgh]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

Of course feminism can't take over the world. Feminists are morons who advocate for mass third world immigration, and men from the third world are violently misogynsitic and so feminsim will ultimately defeat itself.

Then why the fuck did you say: "You know what shows a lot about a person's personality? When they see this and then advocate for women to be in the draft. How about you just wish to abolish it all together for BOTH sexes."

Who the fuck are you talking about? Nobody was advocating for women to be in the draft so who the fuck are you referring to?

can you stop being so aggressive towards me

you are triggering me

I really have given up on this thread and lost hope in you all.

 

[Flop21]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

keep your hate speech off this campus

 

[dan964]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

How has feminism created a culture that shames men? Instead isn't there a general societal view that feminism is a bad thing?

"2nd & 3rd waves of Feminism are still problematic, it seeks to "balance" the inequality, but tipping the scales the other way, by creating a culture that effectively shames men" Funny thing about that statement was that it was said about the previous waves of feminism (i.e. first wave). When the first wave of feminism occurred, many people like today were heavily against it. However, eventually first wave of feminism won. In the second wave of feminism, people like today were against it. Suddenly first wave of feminism didn't seem so unreasonable, votes, sure women can have that. But second wave? Absolutely ridiculous. But eventually second wave of feminism occurred and in a sense, also won. Third wave of feminism is here, people are against it. But it's human nature to change and eventually third wave of feminism will be accepted, which honestly makes me smile when people think it's a bad thing. In the future, people will see third wave feminism as a good thing and probably end up hating whatever current wave of feminism occurring. (Although I sincerely wish one day we won't need feminism).

Yeah it is the irony in a lot of issues, doesn't suddenly justify it as a good thing just because society changes, the same could be said for a lot of social issues. I have no issue with first wave or the basic principle of equality, but the problem is in a lot of issues, and this is one, it is used ironically to discriminate negatively. I am all for equal pay and all that, but can that be done with the stigma that is so attached now.

Most people aren't opposed to most of the concepts that have been historically associated with the feminist movement (maybe with the exception of the more controversial ones, e.g. "reproductive" rights for instance), so I don't agree that there is general opposition to the whole concept of equal rights between men and women.

On second wave feminism, I still even though it is past, don't agree entirely with it either. But with third wave feminism, what you see is not a growing approval rate of it, but actually a growing disproval rate, so I don't agree that in the future, people will see third wave feminism as a good thing, considering the trend suggests it is going the other way.

The perception is the TWF is a particular pevasive, unnecessary, unhelpful and insensitive and radical ideology (mirroring the gender ideologies present in other movements for instance), and have grown to disagree with the approach.

Unfortunately this just happens to be an underlying trend of all social justice issues is the "Robin hood" mentality, of take from one to give to another. I am not saying whether this is justified, but certainly there could be a better means?

 

[Zen2613]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

...?

Businesses don't exist to "advance anything in society or produce anything of good", they exist to make money...

Making money is a businesses overall and main priority. Everything else is second to that.

From the point of a particular business yes, but from the view of society, business are basically giant boxes that convert money into goods/services for society. But that's beside the point, from neither of these points of view is pushing towards 50 50 gender equality a good idea.

 

[Zen2613]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

I'm not sure the posters in this thread understands what the goal of feminism is. The goal of feminism is to "to define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, personal, and social rights for women" not to establish a matriarchal society where all males are oppressed by our feminine overladies.

How nice. Now can feminists actually adhere to their definition and stop bothering with the bullshit they're coming up with now. For example: video games cause sexism

 

[nerdasdasd]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

How nice. Now can feminists actually adhere to their definition and stop bothering with the bullshit they're coming up with now. For example: video games cause sexism

Cough cough.

Laci green, Anita sarkeesian and other people

 

[Zen2613]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

You must be joking. Feminism is not limited to the Western world but for your sake, I'll address what Western feminism has achieved over the years. First of all, the third wave of feminism has been more about furthering social causes for women compared to previous waves so perhaps that's why people don't think feminism has achieved anything (although, there were introduced bills actively fighting for equality but I'll address that later).

Although, if we're going to discuss females being elected into parliament, then you should already know the current large disparity of female to male MPs as wells as our numerous misogynist politicians (Tony Abbott, Peter Dutton for example).

So what feminism has achieved:
-Empowerment: programs and new thinking which has pushed women to go forth in STEM careers and question why structural inequalities exist. There's undoubtedly been a large increase of women in STEM careers yet still a large amount of publicised cases of sexual harassment and discrimination which feminism is actively attempting to fight. Obviously there are laws in place which attempt to stop these situations yet a woman complaining about sexual harassment and suing her employer actively destroys her career despite a modest settlement (only if she wins, which isn't 100%). I think, along with numerous feminists recognise it is not a flaw in justice system that perpetuates this but rather societal views on women, such as the objectification and sexualisation of women that disrespect their abilities and reduce them to sexual beings. I acknowledge not all men do this but numerous reports state this is a general occurrence (especially in male dominated industries)

-Laws: feminism has seen policies, bills and laws passed which facilitate women in fulfilling their desires and moving this world closer to gender equality: anti-discrimination bills, childcare laws etc. For example it was only in 1994 that marital rape was declared illegal in the United Kingdom as part of the Criminal Justice Act. And in Australia, in 2009 Labor introduced Australia’s first paid parental leave scheme. Also did you know that it was only in 2011, when Defence Minister Stephen Smith announced that women will be allowed to serve in frontline combat roles by 2016?

Feminism has done quite a lot but sadly I haven't covered even a fraction of what feminism has achieved. If you're not convinced, I invite you to research yourself with credible, unbiased sources. Now, in the same vein, feminism is still needed, in the Western world and non-western worlds. Gender Pay Gap still exists, yes it does shockingly. Please check this link and read the report:https://www.wgea.gov.au/sites/default/files/Gender_Pay_Gap_Factsheet.pdf
If you're going to counter my argument which the YouTube video of "Pay Gap is a myth" then please know the Australian Bureau of Statistics is far more credible source than random articles or videos online.

Why do you think women don't go into STEM ? Do you think it is because of societal constructs that STEM is for males ? Do you really think we need to push women into STEM ? What is stopping them from doing so ?
Now answer these questions:
Why do you think men don't go into nursing ? Do you think it is because of societal constructs that nursing is for females ? Do you really think we need to push men into nursing ? What is stopping them from doing so ?

Hopefully you see the problem.
Also, a women's career will crumble if she can't prove she was rape because the consequences of the opposite balance it out. If she was raped, then the man's career and pretty much life will end. That's why rape is such a serious issue on both ends.

Lastly, yes the gender wage gap exists. So what ? It is definetely true that on average men make more than women. However, the problem is then jumping to the conclusion that this is sexism, when it is in fact a biological issue. Women ON AVERAGE, don't work as much as men, don't work as hard as men, because that is how we evolved through evolution. Therefore on average, women get less than men. What is the problem?

 

[Zen2613]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

How so? How is wanting to close the gender gap wanting to be superior? You also realise Australian feminism has opened various shelters for women in abusive relationships? So wanting a safe place and environment free of domestic abuse is wanting to be superior? Encouraging females to engage in pervious male dominated fields is wanting to be superior?

I agree there are some misandrists who want to be superior to men but I haven't seen any incidents that indicate feminism wants to be superior to men. Feel free to disagree and point out evidence though.

Show me someone who has opposed creating domestic violence safe zones. And as for the pay gap issue, yes it is wanting to be superior because the reason why the gap exists is because of biological reasons (see above). Unless you get rid of the biological differences such as risk taking and strength, the pay gap SHOULD exist.

 

[Zen2613]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

IN NO WAY

Why the fuck do you guys care so much? You are totally blinded to the inequality that still exists in our world just because your little bubble doesn't have these issues. It's selfish.

It's not fair to demonise feminism just because your world doesn't need it and in your world people who call themselves feminists do crazy things. There are women out there who's rights are pathetic compared to men's. This is no secret.

Then why is almost all feminist action going towards 'bettering' the western world ?

 

[Zen2613]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

If you actually read the report I posted then you would realised the data was sourced from ABS Employee Earnings and Hours employer survey. Please actually read the report.
"Also, face the simple economics of it all, are you saying that men in top-tier positions can get away with underpaying their females SOLELY based on their gender? Okay, why hire men then? Why need men if you can just have women who are willing to work for less pay?" Because the world doesn't work in simple economics sorry. And if you followed your line of thinking, why don't we hire immigrants to work 10 cents a hour? Men have a higher pay because employers believe men have higher abilities or "specialisation" as well as employers when choosing candidates for promotion tend to favour the male candidate because they believe females will have babies and whatnot. Which is called gender discrimination.

Men also have a higher death rate (which is unfortunate) due to majority of men working in more dangerous industries (mining, firefighting?): or jobs that demand more physical strength which women biologically lack.

Once again, men are physically stronger than women. They have the ability to defend themselves against physically weaker females. These shelters are for women in fear of their lives as they're unable to defend themselves against physically stronger males. Although I agree with you, there's this disconcerting attitude that males can't be raped or abused. So instead of bashing feminism, why don't you attempt to do something to correct this injustice instead of hating on feminism? I actually find there's a lot of feminists that try to raise awareness for male rape and abuse. Check out:

http://www.palgrave.com/la/book/9780230223967
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2013/05/10/this-thing-about-male-victims/

Wow nice economics there. No business can hire any refugees for 10 cents ph because if they did other business would be like 'we'll pay you 12' and they'd go work for them and the business would have no workers. And you can repeat this process until you reach a nash equilibrium where paying the refugees more or less is optimised. Such a system of equlibrium has a name called CAPITALISM.

 

[Zen2613]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

Yes the women in the middle east have it worse but it doesn't mean the women in Western countries aren't disadvantaged. I shall repeat my statement: Are you blaming western feminists trying to correct injustices in western countries? It's like saying we shouldn't help homeless people in Australia because there's more starving Africa children outside of Australia.

Who are you to dictate who these people want to raise awareness for? What gives people the right to shame them for their own choices?



When someone tells me to calm down I feel like not calming down.

Name one way in which women are disadvantaged in the West that not everyone thinks is a problem.

 

[Zen2613]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

Ok for anyone who thinks it isn't getting out of hand, some "rules" now in place at USYD due to the student union or whoever dictates it:

1) The society that was made to help men with mental disorders has been BANNED. However, the similar female societies are still in place.

2) If you go to some of the leftie meetings, clapping will get you kicked out because it "triggers PTSD". The same with raising your hand to ask a question (apparently this act is very intimidating for some people).

Also if anyone saw Milo and co. speak at UMass, here is some side affects of just how bat shit insane their uni is getting because of these people:

- cost that University $36 million in lost sponsorship so far this year
- enrollment applications have fallen by 25%.
- organisations that carry out careers expos are refusing to go there
- NFL teams are not considering applications from the college's football team.

For 1) what was the reason for it ?

 

[dan964]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

What is it with people deleting posts?

 

[Flop21]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

Why do you think women don't go into STEM ? Do you think it is because of societal constructs that STEM is for males ? Do you really think we need to push women into STEM ? What is stopping them from doing so ?
Now answer these questions:
Why do you think men don't go into nursing ? Do you think it is because of societal constructs that nursing is for females ? Do you really think we need to push men into nursing ? What is stopping them from doing so ?

Hopefully you see the problem.
Also, a women's career will crumble if she can't prove she was rape because the consequences of the opposite balance it out. If she was raped, then the man's career and pretty much life will end. That's why rape is such a serious issue on both ends.

Lastly, yes the gender wage gap exists. So what ? It is definetely true that on average men make more than women. However, the problem is then jumping to the conclusion that this is sexism, when it is in fact a biological issue. Women ON AVERAGE, don't work as much as men, don't work as hard as men, because that is how we evolved through evolution. Therefore on average, women get less than men. What is the problem?

Yes exactly that. If there is something stopping them that is not their sole decision, then yes of course we should strive to remove that something.

 

[SylviaB]

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You also realise Australian feminism has opened various shelters for women in abusive relationships? So wanting a safe place and environment free of domestic abuse is wanting to be superior? Enc

feminists also successfully advocated for funding to be removed for a male domestic abuse victim shelter, because equality!

 

[Paradoxica]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

What is it with people deleting posts?

beats me, I just contradict myself without any regards to my own internal consistency.

 

[RealiseNothing]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

Lastly, yes the gender wage gap exists. So what ? It is definetely true that on average men make more than women. However, the problem is then jumping to the conclusion that this is sexism, when it is in fact a biological issue. Women ON AVERAGE, don't work as much as men, don't work as hard as men, because that is how we evolved through evolution. Therefore on average, women get less than men. What is the problem?

Not sure why people still believe this is a thing.

I even said it earlier in the thread. If you look at recent statistics (within last 2 or so years), and not at 15 year old statistics, women in their 20's and 30's make more on average than men now.

 

[RealiseNothing]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

Not sure why people still believe this is a thing.

I even said it earlier in the thread. If you look at recent statistics (within last 2 or so years), and not at 15 year old statistics, women in their 20's and 30's make more on average than men now.

I'm not sure either if this is caused by women working harder or companies trying to compensate to make up for some supposed wage gap.

 

[Flop21]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

Not sure why people still believe this is a thing.

I even said it earlier in the thread. If you look at recent statistics (within last 2 or so years), and not at 15 year old statistics, women in their 20's and 30's make more on average than men now.

catch up men

 

[BandSixFix]

Re: Cultural Marxism: Political Correctness/Feminism

catch up men

men are bad