Do HSC sciences need more maths? (3 Viewers)

[annabackwards]

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Agreed

More maths in physics especially, seeing as the physics in uni is pretty much 80%+ maths!

 

[ajdlinux]

should be 4u mechanics in phys

Definitely

 

[waller]

should be 4u mechanics in phys

haha yeah I've wondered about that

At the moment I'm finding the Physics course pretty boring, however don't wanna restrict myself as to what I can do at uni by dropping it.. but I've sorta realised that 4U mechanics seems to be more pure physics anyway, so hopefully I should be alright doing uni physics with just 4U math.

 

[nonsenseTM]

haha yeah I've wondered about that

At the moment I'm finding the Physics course pretty boring, however don't wanna restrict myself as to what I can do at uni by dropping it.. but I've sorta realised that 4U mechanics seems to be more pure physics anyway, so hopefully I should be alright doing uni physics with just 4U math.

+1

and there shoudn't be these 7 mark questions on some impacts on society which makes it a SOCIAL SCIENCE

 

[kaz1]

Yeah more maths in physics and chemistry. They should put calculus in the Physics course. If you do general Maths or no maths you shouldn't be doing physics imo.

 

[Schoey93]

haha yeah I've wondered about that

At the moment I'm finding the Physics course pretty boring, however don't wanna restrict myself as to what I can do at uni by dropping it.. but I've sorta realised that 4U mechanics seems to be more pure physics anyway, so hopefully I should be alright doing uni physics with just 4U math.

Sydney University accepts students into a Bachelor of Science (Physics) and a Bachelor of Advanced Science (Physics) even when they have not done HSC physics. It's not a requirement, after all, there are no prerequisites in this day and age (at least in New South Wales).

For a Bachelor of Science, whatever you major in, unis just recommend advanced (2 Unit) maths. An HSC science course gives you background knowledge, but you don't need it and it may slow you down in the HSC...esp. if you don't like it ...

Edit: oh and not to forget, maths IS a science course! A very "specialised" and prestigious science at that.

 

[kaz1]

Sydney University accepts students into a Bachelor of Science (Physics) and a Bachelor of Advanced Science (Physics) even when they have not done HSC physics. It's not a requirement, after all, there are no prerequisites in this day and age (at least in New South Wales).

For a Bachelor of Science, whatever you major in, unis just recommend advanced (2 Unit) maths. An HSC science course gives you background knowledge, but you don't need it and it may slow you down in the HSC...esp. if you don't like it ...

Edit: oh and not to forget, maths IS a science course! A very "specialised" and prestigious science at that.

But almost all engineering degrees have HSC Physics as assumed knowledge.

 

[waller]

But almost all engineering degrees have HSC Physics as assumed knowledge.

What do you reckon would be better for an engineering degree, 4U mechanics or HSC Physics? Obviously it might vary depending on what stream of eng you pick, but I've heard that uni physics is really math-based.

Although it's unlikely I'll do engineering anyway as opposed to science, but still interesting.

 

[Schoey93]

But almost all engineering degrees have HSC Physics as assumed knowledge.

Assumed knowledge does not translate to "if you didn't do this you will do shit in the course for sure". I spoke to a person I know who does Physio at USYD, she's called Caitilin. She's told my mum or me (can't remember who) "physics is very helpful" - she did Year 11 physics only. She didn't do HSC (Year 12) physics and she is doing very well in the course... definitely not doing shit/failing.

A lot of people don't find out the true meaning of 'assumed knowledge' until they begin a university degree course, it seems...

 

[Schoey93]

What do you reckon would be better for an engineering degree, 4U mechanics or HSC Physics? Obviously it might vary depending on what stream of eng you pick, but I've heard that uni physics is really math-based.

Although it's unlikely I'll do engineering anyway as opposed to science, but still interesting.

Well technically engineering is a science, but good on you. From reading Fitzpatrick 4U and Jacaranda HSC Physics... 4U Mechanics would be better, for sure

Edit: Mechanics has some equations in it I can't even begin to comprehend
HSC Physics has little red and white graphs of waves/parabolas, lol

 

[annabackwards]

Well technically engineering is a science, but good on you. From reading Fitzpatrick 4U and Jacaranda HSC Physics... 4U Mechanics would be better, for sure

Edit: Mechanics has some equations in it I can't even begin to comprehend
HSC Physics has little red and white graphs of waves/parabolas, lol

Yep, 4U maths is great preparation for engineering while HSC physics is nearly useless.

 

[nonsenseTM]

was it much better before the syllabus change (initiated by some idiot that doesn't know anything about the subjects) ?

 

[waller]

Yep, 4U maths is great preparation for engineering while HSC physics is nearly useless.

Sweet lol.

@Schoey, yeah I know engineering is an applied science, but I meant I'm more likely to do BSc as opposed to BE.

 

[Schoey93]

Sweet lol.

@Schoey, yeah I know engineering is an applied science, but I meant I'm more likely to do BSc as opposed to BE.

lol, that's good

If you didn't know that you might make a crappy engineer haha

Oh and... MY BAD

 

[kaz1]

Assumed knowledge does not translate to "if you didn't do this you will do shit in the course for sure".

I didn't say that, of course you won't definetly fail. But I imagine you would be in a better position than those who didn't do Physics.

 

[Schoey93]

Anyway, it seems that BoSers are in general agree that extension mathematics courses prepare you for a BE better than HSC physics.

Oh and is it just me, or are the modules the Board of Studies chose for HSC chemistry really boring? And I have researched them... not just saying this for controversy...


I wrote down the areas of study or modules I would choose for HSC chemistry (some are taken from the International Baccaulaureate Diploma chemistry course):

I. The Chemical Earth
II. Stoichiometry (the study of chemical reactions, including heavy maths on rates of reaction and decomposition - taken from IB diploma Chem
III. Periodicity - taken from IB
IV. Medicines and Drugs - taken from IB

HSC course - prescribed focus areas
V. Neuroscience Foundation study
VI. Anatomy and Physiology Foundation study (but this qualifies more for a biology course of study... o well..)

Edit: LOL I'm in love with IB Chem... so much more interesting than the HSC version!

 

[Schoey93]

I didn't say that, of course you won't definetly fail. But I imagine you would be in a better position than those who didn't do Physics.

I guess... but 4U Mechanics sounds quite intense ... and 3U Projectile Motion isn't too soft either ...

 

[tommykins]

What do you reckon would be better for an engineering degree, 4U mechanics or HSC Physics? Obviously it might vary depending on what stream of eng you pick, but I've heard that uni physics is really math-based.

Although it's unlikely I'll do engineering anyway as opposed to science, but still interesting.

4U Mechanics.

Assumed knowledge does not translate to "if you didn't do this you will do shit in the course for sure". I spoke to a person I know who does Physio at USYD, she's called Caitilin. She's told my mum or me (can't remember who) "physics is very helpful" - she did Year 11 physics only. She didn't do HSC (Year 12) physics and she is doing very well in the course... definitely not doing shit/failing.

A lot of people don't find out the true meaning of 'assumed knowledge' until they begin a university degree course, it seems...

hahahaha lol

 

[Schoey93]

lol, it sounded funny when I wrote it too
I'm going to + rep you

And BTW don't you just hate how 'rep' sounds like 'rape'? Makes me shudder ... ew... yuk

 

[snorlaxx]

Essentially Physics does have that concept of maths involved.